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A quote from The Cocktail Party, FWIW:

*If we all were judged according to the consequences*

*Of all our words and deeds, beyond the intention*

*And beyond our limited understanding*

*Of ourselves and others, we should all be condemned.”*

CR

On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:37 PM Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Convenient but not answer.
> N
>
> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 5:21 PM Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> Let these words answer
>> For what is done, not to be done again
>> May the judgement not be too heavy upon us
>>
>> Pray for us sinners now and at the hour of our death
>> Pray for us now and at the hour of our death.
>>
>> — TS Eliot, ‘Ash-Wednesday’
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 5:17 PM [log in to unmask] <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, less biography, more poetry.
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>
>>> On Jan 7, 2020, at 5:17 PM, Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> Eliot was a great poet, partly because he experienced depths of many
>>> kinds. He was not a great man.
>>>
>>> I have not been at all surprised by the letters. We all already knew how
>>> he abandoned her; this is the same attitude.
>>>
>>> Geoffrey Faber called him Jekyll and Hyde. There was always a reason.
>>> But I have also always seen his work and life as divided. I hope this will
>>> end any idealizing of the man.
>>>
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020, 4:26 PM Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Well, one should be wary of throwing away the baby with the bath water.
>>>>
>>>> CR
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, Jan 7, 2020 at 4:07 PM Peter Dillane <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> That’s it I’m throwing out my copy of Byron
>>>>>
>>>>> cheers Pete
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8 Jan 2020, at 7:04 am, Materer, Timothy J. <[log in to unmask]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Pretending that the misogyny that led Eliot and Lowell and Hughes to
>>>>> diminish and erase the women in their lives can be distilled away from
>>>>> their poetry assures the endurance of misogyny in the verse of the future.
>>>>> Bad men, abusive men, selfish men, it must be admitted, cannot be great
>>>>> poets, deserving of reward and reverence, their sins washed away by rhyme
>>>>> and unreason.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/07/opinions/t-s-eliot-letters-and-bad-male-poets-zakaria/index.html
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>