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I’d leave that to scholars.

CR

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:32 PM Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Perhaps any exploring might begin with a serious reading of feminist
> theory, history, and analysis.
>
> To apply a philosophical concept casually and inaccurately simply creates
> confusion.
>
> I presume one would read a bit of Plato before discussing "Platonic" or a
> few Existentialists before attributing that view to just anyone.
> Nancy
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]>
> wrote:
>
>> Well, an aspect that still needs to be explored.
>>
>> CR
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:28 PM Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> It would be difficult to think of a less applicable word for Eliot than
>>> "feminist." Feminism is a philosophical position, grounded in major
>>> theoretical work going back at least to Mary Wollstonecraft: it is not a
>>> simplistic notion of very occasional sympathy (intermixed with one of the
>>> most misogynist images in all of literature in the Fresca of the
>>> *Facsimile* "Fire Sermon" or the tendency to dismiss women writers with
>>> the exception of Marianne Moore and Djuna Barnes for *Nightwood* or a
>>> poem about strangling a woman).
>>>
>>> Putting aside even Wollstonecraft and DeBeauvoir and Rich and the
>>> courageous women of the Suffrage movement, since *The Feminist Mystique*,
>>> at least, scholars throughout the world have studied the meaning and
>>> applications of feminism--the history and analysis is massive now.
>>>
>>> None of that is simply an intermittent ability to show potential
>>> empathy. And to claim the word, one does need to know what it is.
>>> Nancy
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Was just thinking of the way Eliot empathizes with the plight of Lil
>>>> apropos of her husband’s treatment of her, as well as Eliot’s depiction of
>>>> the agony and travail of the rich lady in the opening section of A Game of
>>>> Chess. In the Prufrock volume too there’re moving images of women from the
>>>> low class whose life is no better than “sparrows in the gutters.” Does make
>>>> a case for Eliot as a feminist.
>>>>
>>>> CR
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gemma Cairney on Gender and T.S. Eliot’s ‘The Waste Land’
>>>>>
>>>>> https://youtu.be/20B30J5ymV0
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> A welcome comment. Wish there was some elaboration vis-a-vis The Waste
>>>>> Land.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> CR
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
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