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Perhaps any exploring might begin with a serious reading of feminist
theory, history, and analysis.

To apply a philosophical concept casually and inaccurately simply creates
confusion.

I presume one would read a bit of Plato before discussing "Platonic" or a
few Existentialists before attributing that view to just anyone.
Nancy

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:58 PM, Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Well, an aspect that still needs to be explored.
>
> CR
>
> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:28 PM Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> It would be difficult to think of a less applicable word for Eliot than
>> "feminist." Feminism is a philosophical position, grounded in major
>> theoretical work going back at least to Mary Wollstonecraft: it is not a
>> simplistic notion of very occasional sympathy (intermixed with one of the
>> most misogynist images in all of literature in the Fresca of the
>> *Facsimile* "Fire Sermon" or the tendency to dismiss women writers with
>> the exception of Marianne Moore and Djuna Barnes for *Nightwood* or a
>> poem about strangling a woman).
>>
>> Putting aside even Wollstonecraft and DeBeauvoir and Rich and the
>> courageous women of the Suffrage movement, since *The Feminist Mystique*,
>> at least, scholars throughout the world have studied the meaning and
>> applications of feminism--the history and analysis is massive now.
>>
>> None of that is simply an intermittent ability to show potential empathy.
>> And to claim the word, one does need to know what it is.
>> Nancy
>>
>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:08 PM, Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Was just thinking of the way Eliot empathizes with the plight of Lil
>>> apropos of her husband’s treatment of her, as well as Eliot’s depiction of
>>> the agony and travail of the rich lady in the opening section of A Game of
>>> Chess. In the Prufrock volume too there’re moving images of women from the
>>> low class whose life is no better than “sparrows in the gutters.” Does make
>>> a case for Eliot as a feminist.
>>>
>>> CR
>>>
>>> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 11:59 AM Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gemma Cairney on Gender and T.S. Eliot’s ‘The Waste Land’
>>>>
>>>> https://youtu.be/20B30J5ymV0
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A welcome comment. Wish there was some elaboration vis-a-vis The Waste
>>>> Land.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> CR
>>>>
>>>
>>