Dear Carrol,

Wonderful. I need to find that. I read the talks of the presidents of the
London Virgil Society--Eliot was the first, and his talk is the 1944
lecture--and they have vastly different views of Aeneas. But they all seem
to be preoccupied with the Dido-Aeneas story.

I will look for this.

On Sun, Mar 11, 2018 at 8:47 PM, Cox, Carrol <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Benton Harbor High library subbed to the Virginia Review (I think that was
> its title) and while browsing in the library once I picked up a copy with
> an essay by Robert Graves on Virgil (and he hated both Virgil AND Aeneas,
> as though Aeneis and Virgil were evil contemporaries. He particularly
> lashed Aeneas for the episode in hades; he argued that Dido's husband sis
> nor know of her affair with Aeneas, and that is why she turned away from
> him, to avoid exposure. Aeneas was a cad for his behavior.
> I don't remember the date, but probably a volume in the early  1940s. And
> this is the only part of the essay I remember. I was probably 14 or 15  at
> the time.
> Carrol
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> I like the idea of variety, but I would like even more if we went back to
> having real discussions. So much new material is coming out on
> Eliot--prose, letters, complete poems--that it would be nice to talk about
> them in some genuine way.
> I'm especially interested, for example, in Eliot and WWII, given that he
> worked in LLoyd's bank on reparations after WWI and praised Keynes's The
> Economic Consequences of the War. And what I have been writing about is
> Eliot and Virgil. If anyone has ideas about either--or, indeed, any
> thoughts about his writing, I'd love to know. The list used to be a forum;
> that has not been true now for several years.
> Best,
> Nancy
> On Sat, Mar 10, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Cox, Carrol <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>         his wellbelovéd colonel(trig
>         westpointer most succinctly bred)
>         took erring Olaf soon in hand;
>         but--though an host of overjoyed
>         noncoms(first knocking on the head
>         him)do through icy waters roll
>         that helplessness which others stroke
>         with brushes recently employed
>         anent this muddy toiletbowl,
>         while kindred intellects evoke
>         allegiance per blunt instruments--
>         Olaf(being to all intents
>         a corpse and wanting any rag
>         upon what God unto him gave)
>         responds,without getting annoyed
>         "I will not kiss your fucking flag"
>         straightway the silver bird looked grave
>         (departing hurriedly to shave)
>         but--though all kinds of officers
>         (a yearning nation's blueeyed pride)
>         their passive prey did kick and curse
>         until for wear their clarion
>         voices and boots were much the worse,
>         and egged the firstclassprivates on
>         his rectum wickedly to tease
>         by means of skilfully applied
>         bayonets roasted hot with heat--
>         Olaf(upon what were once knees)
>         does almost ceaselessly repeat
>         "there is some shit I will not eat"
>         our president,being of which
>         assertions duly notified
>         threw the yellowsonofabitch
>         into a dungeon,where he died
>         Christ(of His mercy infinite)
>         i pray to see;and Olaf,too
>         preponderatingly because
>         unless statistics lie he was
>         more brave than me:more blond than you.
>         Copyright 1931, © 1959, 1991 by the Trustees for E. E. Cummings
> Trust. Copyright © 1979 by Geo