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Thank you David! Now I am trying to find out of the coots in India too
have these small reddish areas. Indeed, I notice in myself, sometimes,
a tendency to say, "Ah, Coot!" and look beyond. I learnt today that
even with every common bird, one must observe as keenly as one can.

Cheers, Deepa.

On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 9:51 AM, David <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
> The red in question is a small area at the top of the white bill.  It is not
> very obvious except at very short range or if you look for it carefully.
> The illustrations in Sibley show both variations.
> David Becher
> St. Louis
>
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Deepa Mohan <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: 11/14/16 9:17 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: question about coots - no sighting
>
> Hi Kathleen,
>
> I,too,have never seen a "red shield" on an American Coot to date, so I
> agree entirely with you! (Neither have I ever seen a red shield on a
> Eurasian Coot, or whatever you call Coots in my country...here we just
> call it the Common Coot.)
>
> I have similar issues with eBird in India, too, and the recent
> "splitting" of species and re-naming means that my sightings from even
> 2012 are coming up for "scrutiny". My response is....I make lists
> *mainly* because I cannot remember what I saw, at a later time....so
> if you (from eBird) are going to invalidate my sighting, please go
> ahead!
>
> Many of us who want to keep birding at the level of a serious hobby,
> without "going scientific"seem to face these issues too.
>
> This is quite apart from the "numbers" birders who find an opportunity
> to up their "life lists" every time there is a "split"!
>
> Just a line to tell all you Miss-ing birders that we are having the
> first "eBirders meet" in Bangalore, India,on Nov. 19th. Looking
> forward to this...my entire birding group (my friends, whom I have
> dubbed UGS....Usual Gang of Suspects) is attending!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Deepa.
>
>
>
> On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 7:51 AM, Kathleen Anderson
> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>> Since I have never noticed the "red shield" on a coot, to see that I would
>> apparently have to put a scope on every coot I observe to see if I can see
>> any red or not.  I don't think I am going to do that, so mine will just
>> get
>> entered in ebird as "American Coot".
>>  It doesn't seem right to me that ebird would enter all coots in MO as
>> "red
>> shielded".  I guess you are indicating that most in MO have a red shield.
>> Kathleen Anderson, Columbia
>>
>> ________________________________
>> From: "Robert Jacobs" <[log in to unmask]>
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Monday, November 14, 2016 7:50:33 AM
>> Subject: Re: question about coots - no sighting
>>
>> Kathleen,
>> The latest American Ornithologist Union (AOU)  2016 supplement says that
>> the
>> American Coot with both red and whitish shields and the Caribbean Coot
>> with
>> the white shield are just color morphs of the same species. So, if you see
>> a
>> coot with a red upper shield you could list it under red-shielded, but
>> apparently a small  percentage of the American coots have white shields
>> similar to the Caribbean Coot which up to now was thought to be a
>> different
>> species. I am not sure if eBird is hoping to shed light on the
>> distribution
>> of the two color  morphs to see if there is any distributional difference.
>>
>> If you want to go to the source discussion copy and paste the following
>> and
>> look under Proposal 2016 A - 9.
>> http://checklist.aou.org/nacc/proposals/current_proposals.html
>>
>>
>> Brad Jacobs
>>
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 8:23 PM, Kathleen Anderson
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>> I've noticed in ebird that in the uploaded lists from Cache/Sparks the
>>> coot is listed as "Red-shielded".   Is that correct?   I just list Coots
>>> as
>>> "American Coots".
>>> Kathleen Anderson
>>> Columbia
>>>
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