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It's fairly pounding (pun not intended)

On 29 February 2016 at 16:55, Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Posted it just to feel the list's pulse.
> O, it's throbbing!
> Thx.
> CR
>
>
> On Monday, February 29, 2016, Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>
>> I agree with Gene. In fact, this reviewer is quite sympathetic to
>> Eliot: he treats his marriage as even-handedly as he claims the editors do,
>> and he mainly gives a factual account.
>>
>> Calling Eliot a "cultural retrograde" may be a reason for disagreement,
>> but it is neither unusual nor "vomit-inducing." It is a judgment many
>> scholars made over the years and many of Eliot's friends also made. In
>> different words, Eliot himself made it when he told his mother that he was
>> "no longer very popular with the *Nation* people, because my political
>> and social views are so reactionary and ultra-conservative." And for anyone
>> who would use "retrograde," "reactionary" is probably worse. Both are
>> political views about being "ultra-conservative."
>>
>> My point (and please note this before any personal pouncing) is not that
>> the reviewer is correct or incorrect--merely that this is a pretty frequent
>> view and not at all evidence of some intellectual or personal failure.
>>
>> Also, I do not agree with the reviewer's apparent dismissal of *4Q*, but
>> I share a preference for the early work--also a very frequent preference.
>> And many who prefer the late work simply disagree on what is better: it is
>> not a true or false test.
>>
>> As Gene notes, what is more important than trying to defend Eliot (who
>> needs no defense and anyway pretty much did his own) is the possibility
>> that a reader of this review may be intrigued and go to the poetry--and
>> prose.
>>
>> One note about facts: it is not apparently the case that Eliot decided,
>> while in America, to leave Vivienne. According to one key source, he had
>> decided before he even left England.
>> Nancy
>>
>> On Mon, Feb 29, 2016 at 10:37 AM, Eugene Schlanger <
>> [log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> I can understand David's objection but this article is much better than
>>> many that have been advanced for reading to the List.  I also am beginning
>>> to think that in an age of tweets and Instagram (writing reduced to snark;
>>> communication reduced to flashed images) it is helpful to have articles
>>> such as this for the general public that seems uninterested in or unable to
>>> approach anything except thru the medium of the person behind the
>>> achievement and the attendant misfortunes of his/her personal life revealed
>>> in the achievement.  I, of course, hear 4Q echoing in the chambers of my
>>> mind more often than lines from earlier poems, including Prufrock and TWL,
>>> but at least someone somewhere trapped at an airport between connections
>>> who may stumble upon this article while surfing may actually go to the
>>> poetry.  In my humble opinion.  Greetings to everyone...
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: David Boyd <[log in to unmask]>
>>> To: TSE <[log in to unmask]>
>>> Sent: Mon, Feb 29, 2016 4:52 am
>>> Subject: Re: TS Eliot: public poet, private agony | spiked
>>>
>>> "........Eliot had established himself as a cultural retrograde ...."
>>>
>>> vomit-inducing prose, IMHO - consistent with the rest.
>>>
>>>
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>>> On 29 February 2016 at 05:12, Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>>
>>>> TS Eliot: public poet, private agony | spiked
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://www.spiked-online.com/spiked-review/article/ts-eliot-public-poet-private-agony/18067#.VtPSFH6COSM
>>>>
>>>> CR
>>>>
>>>
>>>
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