A condition that sparked some of the genius of the poem. Now that's an insight, Peter. 
Thanks,
CR

On Saturday, August 15, 2015, P <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I for one haven't lost sight of the major theme of sterility in the poem and the emanations from the unconscious that resonate so strongly, eg. "bats with baby faces". To see it so concretely in a very down to earth conversation just strengthens it all the more. Eliot was deeply disturbed at the time ("I can connect nothing with nothing"). That condition no doubt sparked some of the genius of the poem. The children line speaks to the condition of the whole society whatever the class. Eliot may not have experienced it as a dig,  but Viv's personality tempts one to think so. Still, surely, how could he not have looked at the matter personally?

On 15 Aug 2015 11:43 am, Ken Armstrong <[log in to unmask]');" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]> wrote:


On 8/15/2015 10:57 AM, Chanan Mittal wrot
Nor can one ignore its resonances vis-a-vis Eliot's own married life
     One doesn't have to ignore them not to be distracted by them.
    
Eliot must have been painfully alive to its implications for him.

    Maybe,maybe probably even, but what's the point? It's the implications for us the readers that matter, isn't it? Putting so much effort into making one-to-one equations of what's in the poem with what was in Eliot's life seems a way to avoid meeting the poem on its own ground, or worse, denying that there is a ground on which to meet the poem.  If biographical speculation is our ultiimate interest, then ok, speculate away, but let's not confuse it with honoring or appreciating the poem's action.

 Ken A


On Saturday, August 15, 2015, Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]');" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]');" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Of course not--it was not at all covert. Nor was he at all unaware that his images of Viv were extremely negative. Pound, at least, said it was "too photog." What has that to do with her reasons for editing a line, making it more effective, and explicitly leaving it up to Tom to use or not?
 
The issue here is about the text and whether it has any evidence to suggest what Eliot thought or felt about what she edited, and it doesn't. If there is any in letters, I have not seen it but would be interested.
N
>>> Chanan Mittal 08/15/15 12:59 PM >>>
Eliot could not have been unaware of the line's suggestion vis-a-vis his own marriage. 

CR

On Saturday, August 15, 2015, Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]');" target="_blank">[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Eliot also clearly respected her intellect and skills at this point.
 
Re: "protocol"--just read the text of the Facsimile. And biography, especially the new one by Crawford. There is no reason at all other than wild speculation to think that at this time he "winced."