I agree with Nancy that kicking a dog is not a human failing.  It is a despicable act. I could never overlook it.  Spurr's emails, however nasty and ignorant, are still merely words.

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 9:05 PM, Kate Nichols <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
I view it as you do for the most part, but I believe that many men hold such opinions, although many of the younger ones don't express them openly.

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
The irony of this, of course, is that the only thing they "protect"
women from is other men. I'm not sure how you view this fact that you
state, but a history of great women makes the idea that they can only be
wives and mother simply silly. That men may think does not make it so.
Cheers,
Nancy

>>> Kate Nichols  12/21/14 6:04 PM >>>
There are some men who are not racist at all, who may even be liberal in
political notions, but who will always think that women are meant to be
wives and mothers.  I'm not talking about those men who put down women
and
call them whores and hos such garbage, but men who put women on higher
ground in some aspects and who would protect them.

On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 5:04 PM, Nancy Gish  wrote:

> Well, one does not inhale second-hand gay--even if it mattered.
> I'm feeling more than ambivalent about Peter's wish that he did not
know
> his hero's moral failings. One can, of course, acknowledge good things
> in someone who also had major failings. Pound was a Fascist, but then
he
> was not teaching it to children or college students. And either way it
> does not change the value of his poetry. If anyone turned to Fascism
> because of his broadcasts, it might alter any judgment.
> But that young woman who deserved the top prize in pathology
presumably
> did not get it, and she was hurt by his bigotry. That is a serious
> difference. So, too, was the young gay man who, I gather, lost his
job.
> These actions do have major impact. Think of Alan Turling who was a
> major factor in winning WWII but hounded out of work and destroyed:
> "In 1952, Turing was arrested and tried for homosexuality, then a
> criminal offence. To avoid prison, he accepted injections of oestrogen
> for a year, which were intended to neutralise his libido. In that era,
> homosexuals were considered a security risk as they were open to
> blackmail. Turing's security clearance was withdrawn, meaning he could
> no longer work for GCHQ, the post-war successor to Bletchley Park.
> He committed suicide on 7 June, 1954."
> Is total relativism really ok--any more than total "thought policing"
> when prejudice can do that?
> I'm not suggesting an answer--it's a question.
> Nancy
>
>
>
>
> >>> Kate Nichols  12/21/14 4:17 PM >>>
> My Professor in college who taught the Modernist class was an open
> homosexual and smoked cigarettes in the classroom.  Amusing that in
> today's
> society, his being gay would not matter at all and would not be used
> against him, but he may be fired for smoking cigarettes in the
> classroom.
>
> Kate of Florida
>
> On Sun, Dec 21, 2014 at 3:49 PM, Peter Dillane
> wrote:
>
> > Hi Folks,
> >
> > I seem to be tainted with cynicism and moral relativism in this
> company
> > where everyone has such concern about the issues. Barry Spurr is a
> > political player not some dear little thing with wide eyes cruelly
> hunted
> > down. He was engaged in the political game at the big end of town
and
> in
> > this country that is a brutally combative polar dialectic without
> nuance. I
> > find it hard to believe someone could get the job he had without
> knowing
> > the score. The past thirty years in this country one or the other
side
> of
> > cultural politics has used its time in power to end the careers of
the
> > other side. Neither has the moral call on track record. He had a
> government
> > role which will deprive others of their careers perhaps for good. I
am
> not
> > particularly partisan in this  (probably I was on his side in much
of
> it
> > )but my point is  that this is not the story of an ingenue butterfly
> > crushed on the wheel. I think it does matter that he has said these
> things.
> > I don’t think the public interest argument is a strong justification
> for
> > disseminating these private conversations although someone who
deeply
> cared
> > for the national curriculum and was opposed to his position would
see
> it
> > more substantial as a justification for publishing.
> >
> > For the record i> > anyone much cares, there’s been a tiny hue and no cry really. He
> resigned
> > and was not dismissed. I suppose he has been pushed but the public
> fact is
> > that he jumped and his University has chosen not to say much at all.
> His
> > political masters have said next to nothing but they did not back
him
> up.
> > Part of what he was reported to have said had a tilt at them so he
may
> be a
> > bit friendless.  The racist comments were not particularly vile the
> > misogynist ones were. Reading between the lines he has accepted a
> pretty
> > lame settlement with the publishers on the proviso they publish no
> more so
> > there must be more -  and worse. It doesn’t matter that these were
> private,
> > nor that he should have known about the porous cyber conduit he was
> using.
> > What is is. He chose at a good age with a life of profession> I was
> taught by a terrific chap. a professor of Pathology. Erudite,
> > astute, lovely educational technique, approachable and charming.
There
> was
> > a prize for the top of the year in Pathology. This prize was more
than
> > itself because it opened doors in your career path. A friend of mine
> worked
> > in the next room to that in which the prize was being discussed by
the
> > professors  one year and heard my hero professor say “Clearly the
top
> > student on performance is this young woman, but she is a young woman
> and it
> > will be wasted on her.” I still recall some of his lectures and
> broader
> > moral stands on issues as very worthy. I do wish I could have them
> > untainted by the knowledge of what is.
> >
> > On another occasion I was talking to a lecturer in the English
> Department
> > where I studied in the 1970s and said I very much admired the
emeritus
> > professor who could recite great mountains of Njal’s saga or Morte
> D’Arthur
> > from heart and sometimes he became teary during these performances
and
> what
> > a terrific person he was and so on. She said to me “Mmm yes I guess
he
> does
> > have some engaging features but during the 50s he disposed of one
> academic
> > who was giving trouble by recording a conversation in which the man
> > admitted to being homosexual." I wish I didn’t know that bit too.
> >
> > By the way Jim you mentioned that you hoped this wouldn’t tarnish
> > Australia. Mate the way we are treating refugees on the high seas to
> our
> > North and our International non contribution to battling climate
> change are
> > hard acts to follow in the tarnishing department.
> >
> > Cheers Folks
> >
> > Pete
>
>
>
>
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