You’re not helping me you know.  I’ve always been a bit careful about holding lids off things with other people.  Call me untrusting.




From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of P
Sent: Wednesday, 24 September 2014 9:45 AM
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Then of course, Eliot being a Sherlock Holmes fan, there is The Musgrave Ritual.

Kate Nichols <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I don't have the book in front of me, but I'm thinking that Carrol is referring to the letter that Wentworth wrote to Anne while they were all visiting at the Musgroves that he slipped into her hand, pleading with her to be his and to give him a sign that she was still into him and then he would accept her sister's invitation and show up at her sister's party.  For those who haven't read the book, Anne and Wentworth were involved years before but because he didn't have money and position, her good friend and mentor "persuaded" her into refusing his offer of marriage.  Years later, he reappeared into her life, now a captain in the navy with money and prestige.  He and Anne never got over each other.


On Tue, Sep 23, 2014 at 6:58 PM, Peter Dillane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Hi Carrol,

I have been idly thinking about this for a week and am feeling uneducated.
How do you see them, what connection should I know ?...and do you take this
passage to be in one voice by the way. I have heard it changing speaker at
"On Margate sands.." the echo of Moorgate producing a kind of call and

Cheers Pete

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From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, 18 September 2014 9:05 AM
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Subject: Passage for Comment (My people..."

'Trams and dusty trees.
Highbury bore me. Richmond and Kew
Undid me. By Richmond I raised my knees
Supine on the floor of a narrow canoe.'                 295
'My feet are at Moorgate, and my heart
Under my feet. After the event
He wept. He promised "a new start".
I made no comment. What should I resent?'
'On Margate Sands.                                      300
I can connect
Nothing with nothing.
The broken fingernails of dirty hands.
My people humble people who expect


Could anyone comment on this passage. I'm trying to look at it from the
perspective of Wentworth's scribbled plea to Anne in Chapter 23 of




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