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Somewhere or other Eliot said something to the effect that North America wouldn't have any real culture until it broke into its neutral constituent parts.  Perhaps it was in AUG.  perhaps Rickard can help. 
Peter

Ken Armstrong <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>Hmmm, David. Are you proposing giving them the Boyd?  
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>You note that Europe has been otherwise "binding itself together." A report on public radio here last week noted that some other countries around the world were paying close attention to the Scots vote to learn if it is possible to withdraw from a union peacefully, a novel notion. I suppose this election didn't quite answer that. But the kicker in the story for me was the claim that regional representatives of the US West and South were paying attention to it for the same reason. I would hope it isn't so or that it wouldn't come to a head, but given the character of current political divisions here I wouldn't dismiss it out of hand.
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>On 9/19/2014 5:59 AM, David Boyd wrote:
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>'Too bad if the Scots don't realize that independence is the basis of all individual and group success and happiness.'
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>........Good that at least a majority had the sense to realize that 'independence' was an ill-considered pipe dream, with millions of detailed implications, many of them so needless and costly. Europe has been, to its immense benefit since the War, binding itself together: this proposed act of folly was the absolute antithesis. I am half-Scots by ancestry and live only about 35 miles from the border with England, which at present and quite rightly is barely noticeable - and long may it continue to be so. Scotland's present First Minister has not succeeded in his slick but superficial public relations campaign for independence. Below is the Boyd Clan crest and motto, but today I think it rather appropriate at least metaphorically to part the two erect fingers somewhat whilst gesticulating towards the Nationalists. But seriously, what's sorely needed now is reconciliation rather than further strife and division.
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>On 19 September 2014 04:43, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>No doubt because of the dire economic predictions.  Too bad if the Scots don't realize that independence is the basis of all individual and group success and happiness.  How fortunate we are here on this continent, even if the opportunity to pursue to happiness does not always work out as planned.
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>On Sep 18, 2014, at 11:13 PM, Kate Nichols <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>The first votes are in:  Nay
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>On Thu, Sep 18, 2014 at 10:59 PM, [log in to unmask] <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>Sidebar:  Scottish poem.  Interesting use of poetry in the real world.  You may find it of interest and enjoyable.
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>http://m.bbc.com/news/uk-scotland-29242306
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