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Sorry.  That's a lot of blah blah blah to me.  No substance.  Can't follow.

Bryan

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On Jun 21, 2014, at 1:43 PM, Brad Jacobs <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Bryan and MOBIRDers.
> Bryan asked a great question that is being asked more and more by scientists and birders. eBird is really an amazing source for scientists but it has had its issues with folks that don't think it has any value due to a "lack" of rigor involved in gathering the data.  Setting the idea of bad data in give bad data out, from early complaints about birder generated data in general, we can look to the range of rigors from other birder and science based bird databases. The Christmas Bird Counts, Breeding Bird Atlases, Breeding Bird Surveys, North American Migration Counts, CACHE/SPARKS, etc., are all based on some assumptions that give clues to the use of the data. The birding competition part is like food at a public meeting. Competitive birding is just one of the enjoyments for part of the birding world. 
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> There is a pdf that talks about the use of eBird and Partners in Flight.  http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=5&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CE0QFjAE&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.pitt.edu%2F~sdonovan%2Flab%2Fproducts%2FCornell.pdf&ei=fMmlU4WSD4WoyASMqIKICA&usg=AFQjCNHNAzpMrD5qnWenEynye3jSGyT2TA&sig2=8G41pOaa3j74yJLWOn8sBw 
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> A recent example for conservation use:
> Within the national Partners in Flight Steering (www.partnersinflight.org) Committee and Science Team the eBird data that are generated worldwide by birders are in fact an amazing almost instantaneous check on current bird-status-condition indicators worldwide that can be analyzed for use by conservation partners. One recent example: Ken Rosenberg presented the most recent Occurrence Maps generated from eBird birder-source data at the Snow Bird, Utah Partners in Flight V international Bird Conservation Plans workshop. He was able to show the migration patterns of several western bird species during the spring migration and fall migration which clearly showed that most of the records for Townsend's Warbler were on BLM land during spring migration and on USFS land during fall migrations. This allows federal land management agencies to know they are stewards of certain species during certain times of year, and they are responsible for considering the needs for that species during the time of year.
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> The list of conservation uses is getting longer as more folks discover the vastness of the data and the global applications to documenting the effects of management, illegal hunting, land use changes and global climate change. 
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> One thing that eBird, CACHE and SPARKS have offered is defined methodologies for birders to make their birding trip lists useful. The old way was to leave a short list of birds seen on a conservation area, sometimes with a date and name of the observer. Now there is a world wide data-collection and analysis process that is available on eBird with the support of a large university and its partners. 
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> As with all of the uses for bird data, the source of the data and the biases that come along with that are always suspect. Science is plagued with this problem and has developed ways to handle bias through statistical analysis, data use restrictions, and observer training.  As Ryan or Josh said, no data are ever thrown out of eBird, but a lot of data do not get used in the analysis because of observer biases and data provided that don't meet the analysis requirements. 
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> CACHE, SPARKS, and eBird all have been evolving as more is learned about how to analyze the data and the advent of new uses and needs. eBird is dependent on all its sources to use a compatible format.  
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> Brad Jacobs
> Missouri Department of Conservation
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf Of Bryan Prather
> Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2014 10:18 PM
> To: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: No sightings- Ebird
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> Thank You Ryan for the wiki link-very nice!
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> I've linked and seen the top 100 Ebirders for Mo., ( I'm #58 despite my rants.  I don't do shorebirds much).
> My question is how do the entries by citizen scientists benefit birds?
> I want to believe that what I see and photograph and put said photograph on Ebird(time consuming) will benefit birds.  
> It's not time consuming to put photos on Ebird. ( It's time consuming to be able to format them onto Flickr, etc. and then include them.) So again, how do the entries benefit birds?
> I'm not discounting Ebird but it can be perceived as a competition  rather than conservation from those who see/hear birds but don't participate.  What I'm hoping for is a statement saying "Missouri's contribution on Ebird has provided this."  
> I'm not looking for the number of Ebird entries nor folks who have seen the most.  I want to know how our collective entries have helped birds and habitat.  Can that be addressed?
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> No disrespect intended!
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> Bryan Prather
> St.  Louis Co., Mo
> Sent from my iPhone
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