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"the association of man and woman
In daunsinge, signifying matrimonie˜
A dignified and commodious sacrament.
Two and two, necessarye coniunction,
Holding eche other by the hand or the arm
Whiche betokeneth concorde"

CR

On Saturday, April 19, 2014, Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Do you think you might keep your misogyny to yourself? Or is it important
> to note that Eliot shared it?
> Nancy
>
> >>> Chanan Mittal  04/19/14 9:44 AM >>>
> "In the room the women come and go / Talking of Michelangelo."
>
> CR
>
> On Saturday, April 19, 2014, Rickard A. Parker <[log in to unmask]<javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml',[log in to unmask]);>>
> wrote:
>
>> I don't think I would have bothered to point out this latest of the
>> Guardian's "How to Believe" series except that the ending paragraph
>> (below)
>> touches on a few recent TSE list topics.
>>
>> The poem draws on and shatters into pieces the polite culture of Eliot's
>> cultivated youth – bits of Arthurian lore, echoes of Shakespeare and
>> Goldsmith and Ovid – as well as less conventionally acceptable literature
>> –
>> a line from Baudelaire here, of de Nerval there. It draws on Christianity
>> –
>> the agony in the garden, the unrecognisable companion on the road to
>> Emmaus,
>> the allusions to St Augustine in spiritual crisis – and Buddhism, with the
>> three-fold commands of the thunder in the last section. Yet, at best, it
>> offers little consolation; after the seeming resolution of the commands of
>> the thunder's precepts, it bursts out in anguish again with a line from
>> Kyd's The Spanish Tragedy – "Hieronymo's mad againe" (Eliot will have
>> known
>> that Kyd was a notorious atheist, one of Marlowe's School of Night). The
>> thunder repeats, but the call to peace at the end – "Shantih, shantih,
>> shantih" – is perhaps the peace of exhaustion rather than acceptance.
>> Eliot
>> is presenting a diagnosis of his, and our, sickness, but he is not yet
>> sure
>> of the prescription – which is why, perhaps, The Waste Land is so great a
>> poem.
>>
>> ------------------
>>
>>
>> http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/belief/2014/apr/17/ts-eliot-waste-land-radical-text-wounded-culture
>>
>> TS Eliot's The Waste Land: the radical text of a wounded culture
>>
>> The poem draws on draws on the Christianity of Eliot's polite and
>> cultivated
>> youth – yet at best offers little consolation
>>
>> Roz Kaveney
>> theguardian.com, Thursday 17 April 2014
>>
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