I may be forgiven for this intervention but sometimes what Eliot came by (an object, a remark, a piece of conversation) possibly as "a matter of fact" held for him, as he wrote somewhere, the value of a symbol. And he used it as a symbol that carried the specific resonance he wished to assign it. It is the larger context of his work, however, in which he placed the "matter of fact" symbol that left no doubt about its specific resonance in a work. 
"Only / There is shadow under this red rock" definitely carries a specific Christian resonance in The Waste Land. 


On Friday, April 18, 2014, Peter Dillane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Off topic ? But there is shadow under this red rock as a matter of fact 

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On 18 Apr 2014, at 10:11 pm, P <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I wasn't trying to compete. They are kind of humble compared to some of our stuff. We have nothing quite so magical as Uluru.
Do you suppose these sisters are related to Chekov?
Just trying to get us back on topic.;->.
Maybe I should just throw in the towel and give up.

Peter Dillane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Your girls win Pete 

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On 18 Apr 2014, at 8:04 pm, P <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I think it is quite honourable to render such respect. I hope they don't mind if a guy just stands in awe of Uluru.

Hey. Just realised Canada has 3 Sisters too. "In the mountains there you feel free."

Peter Dillane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Not the big red one which I have not climbed out of deference to the indigenous owners who prefer you not to do but which guarantees your children think you a monumental bore when everyone else's dad does it but rather the three sisters as attached - no I wouldn't hang off them on a rope here neither and it's got nothing to do with cultural sensitivity 

Cheers Pete 

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On 18 Apr 2014, at 9:32 am, P <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

So did that back scaling have anything to do with the big red rock?
Peter M

Peter Dillane <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

it’s that activity where one hippity hops backwards  down a cliff face with a rope and harness - yep it was seriously suggested they might give it a go while visiting a demonstration of same  I don’t know if they will say “hut hut hut” like the SWAT team in the Blues Brothers. By the way Prince Charles went to school down the road from us here and it was at one time suggested he might be Governor General here which was apparently something he had an interest in doing. As I said I don’t mind circuses it keeps my mind off youth unemployment, the way we treat refugees in this country and a number of other things.

Happy Easter (the roof fell 35 feet onto the  choir stalls in our church this week thankfully no singing going on . I am a non believer but am on the Finance Committee so my Easter is one of contemplating possibilities … and dealing with insurance companies)


On 18 Apr 2014, at 8:04 am, P <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I think it had to do with the need for roots and a refusal to accept the low level religion involved in being a United States-er. (For a lot of us an American is any inhabitant of the Americas. What the name of an Italian explorer has to do with it, no one seems to know.).

I am not familiar with the word "abseiling". Pray enlighten me.
Re: republicanism -- I am glad we can still say The sun never sets on the British Commonwealth.

Peter Dill