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You remind me Carrol with respect to contingency that those formulae such as " breaker of horses" which Parry / Lord explained as a metrical trade skill are mysteriously touching for an obligatory strophe.

Cheers Pete

On 15 Apr 2014, at 12:34 pm, Carrol Cox <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> :-) That was the young KM, before he had really hit his stride -- but it's still worth pondering.
> 
> And, incidentally, Liberation Theology is again in good odor at the Vatican. The world is unpredictable. It is not only that, as Mao said, "Marxists have no crystal balls"; NO ONE has a crystal ball. The great power of imaginative literature is the room it creates for surprise & contingency. The last lines of the Iliad, of PL, of PR, & of the Cantos (as well as of TWL) open on to an utterly open world.
> 
> And so the Trojans buried Hektor breaker of horses.
> 
> 		. . .hee unobserv'd
> Home to his Mothers house private return'd.           
> 
> These lines for the ultimate CANTO
>         whatever I may write in the interim.
> 
> They hand in hand with wandring steps and slow,
> Through Eden took thir solitarie way.
> 
> Carrol
> 
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> 
> The sigh of the oppressed, the heart in a heartless world... 
> 
> Cheers Pete
> 
> -----Original Message-----
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> Er.... What's religion?
> Peter
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> 
>> On Sun, 13 Apr 2014 11:54:40 -0400, Chanan Mittal <[log in to unmask]> 
>> wrote:
>>>> The immediate specific justification of a Christian context to the 
>>>> opening
>>>> passage is the passage which immediately follows, saturated with 
>>>> Christian
>>>> allusions to Ezekiel et al.
>>> Sorry, but despite the allusions my reading of that section doesn't 
>>> contain
>>> religion.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>>    Rick Parker
>> 
>>     Rickard,
>> 
>>   Maybe you could define "contain"? Tom Jefferson read the Bible without 
>> religion by the exigency of excising the religious terminology. Effective 
>> for him perhaps, but no one of any persuasion could reasonably call the 
>> end result "The Bible." I assume you're not editing out the parts of TWL 
>> that have religious weight and which its author, presumably, put in for 
>> that reason. Or is this related to that anticipated retirement project you 
>> mentioned earlier?
>> 
>>    For my part, I've decided to write a bar song -- or maybe it's just a 
>> retirement song -- about the TWL to the tune of The Bowery. So far, I've 
>> got the refrain down pat.
>> 
>>   Thanks,
>>   Ken A
>> 
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