Incidentally, one cannot fail to detect in "I who have sat by Thebes below the wall" an allusion to the wasteland of King Oedipus caused by a certain violation of the sanctity of sex.

CR


From: Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: Tiresias

What Tiresias sees is the violation of the sanctity of sex (a life-giving force that has been vitiated resulting in a wasteland. Yes that is what Tiresias 'sees' and that is the substance of the poem.

CR


From: Rickard A. Parker <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 11:21 AM
Subject: Re: Tiresias

On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 11:05:03 -0400, Tom Colket <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> >Carrol writes:
> C> In the present instance, despite the highly sexualized context,
> C> I would think that it is the prophetic power of
> C> Tiresias, NOT his sexual history, that is most relevant.

> Carrol:If the relevant thing about Tiresias is his prophetic power,
> and not his unusual sexual story, then why does TSE _TWICE_
> call the readers attention to it ("man with wrinkled female breasts"
> and "man with wrinkled dugs"). Isn't that a peculiar overemphasis
> on something that is not intended to be the main focus for the reader?

Not TWICE but THRICE. We have Eliot's note (and discounting the Latin
that again brings up Tiresias's two sexes) Eliot writes "the two sexes
meet in Tiresias."  But then on Carrol's side he adds "What Tiresias sees,
in fact, is the substance of the poem."

Regards,
  Rick Parker