You may want to consider that the phrase "old man with wrinkled female breasts," that is, a male with some female attributes, could be a safe way, in 1922, of alluding to a male homosexual.


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From: Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]>
Date: 10/02/2013 1:04 PM (GMT-05:00)
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Subject: Re: Tiresias

In the Sophocles texts, he has become, again, a man who has been a woman. In Eliot he seems clearly to remain both. That is part, I think, of the way he responds to the coupling of the two. He is, ironically, both and neither in that text.

>>> Richard Seddon <[log in to unmask]> 10/02/13 12:02 PM >>>
I don't know about you Carroll but when I look at my 71 year old chest, which used to be hard and flat, I see what looks disturbing like sagging a cups were it not for the gray hair.

And, I assure you I have not had a sex change nor even contemplated it.

Carroll wrote: " The phrase "old man with wrinkled female dugs" seems discordant as well"

Richard Seddon
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On Oct 2, 2013, at 7:57 AM, Carrol Cox <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> How much of the legend of Tiresias is incorporated in TWL? He/she got into
> trouble originally by striking two copulating snakes. But his/her real
> downfall occurred by resolving a debate between Zeus & Hera; he sided with
> Zeus, declaring that women had far more sexual pleasure than men. That seems
> not to fit the case of the typist. He 'sides' with Antigone against Creon in
> that play.
> The phrase "old man with wrinkled female dugs" seems discordant as well.
> The sex changes were arranged by deity after all, & should not have been
> ambiguous.
> Carrol