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Hey CR, when your book was published did it come out one page at a time?

I'd find it easier to follow your thoughts if they were expressed in a
paragraph.

Regards,
   Rick Parker




On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 11:37:52 -0700, Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

>an excerpt from Wiki�

"At the request of Eliot's wife, Vivienne, a line in the A Game of Chess
section was removed from the poem: "And we shall play a game of chess/The
ivory men make company between us / Pressing lidless eyes and waiting for a
knock upon the door". This section is apparently based on their marital
life, and she may have felt these lines too revealing. However, the "ivory
men" line may have meant something to Eliot: in 1960, thirteen years after
Vivienne's death, he inserted the line in a copy made for sale to aid the
London Library, of which he was President at the time..."


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waste_Land


CR


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 From: Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]>
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This 'violation' must have been acutely evident to Eliot in his own wife.

It finds an allusion in the title 'A Game of Chess'.�
Cf. the game of chess in Middleton's�Women beware Women.


"To her, the marriage brought no happiness. To me, it brought the state of
mind out of which came The Waste Land."


CR


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Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:36 PM
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And this 'violation' is so rampant in The Waste Land, especially in The Fire
Sermon.

CR


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Incidentally, one cannot fail to detect in "I who have sat by Thebes below
the wall" an allusion to�the wasteland of�King Oedipus�caused�by�a certain
violation of the sanctity of sex.

CR


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 From: Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 12:11 PM
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What Tiresias sees is the violation of the sanctity of sex (a life-giving
force that has been vitiated resulting in a wasteland. Yes that is what
Tiresias 'sees' and that is the substance of the poem.

CR


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Sent: Saturday, October 5, 2013 11:21 AM
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On Sat, 5 Oct 2013 11:05:03 -0400, Tom Colket <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> >Carrol writes:
> C> In the present instance, despite the highly sexualized context,
> C> I would think that it is the prophetic power of
> C> Tiresias, NOT his sexual history, that is most relevant.

> Carrol:If the relevant thing about Tiresias is his prophetic power,
> and not his unusual sexual story, then why does TSE _TWICE_
> call the readers attention to it ("man with wrinkled female breasts"
> and "man with wrinkled dugs"). Isn't that a peculiar overemphasis
> on something that is not intended to be the main focus for the reader? 

Not TWICE but THRICE. We have Eliot's note (and discounting the Latin
that again brings up Tiresias's two sexes) Eliot writes "the two
 sexes
meet in Tiresias."� But then
 on Carrol's side he adds "What Tiresias sees,
in fact, is the substance of the poem."

Regards,
�  Rick Parker