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Excusez moi! The post I posted today belongs here. Please read that in this context.
Thanks,
CR

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On Aug 19, 2013, at 1:48 AM, P <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Not if Madam Sosostris is involved, not to mention the shadow walking beside us, or the dog & corpse, or the dead sound of the bell &c., &c.
> If the structure is occult, how can the message not be? The medium IS the message. As it is, Eliot had no message, whereby the poem is a reverse monster, a monster being a figure without a ground. A ground without a figure is a genius invention, opaque and so occult.
> P.
> 
> Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> You would agree with me, though, Peter, that Eliot utilized the cards for their symbolic value, and as structural devices, rather than as instruments of the occult.
> 
> CR
> 
> From: P <[log in to unmask]>; 
> To: <[log in to unmask]>; 
> Subject: Re: The significance of the Tarot cards in 'The Waste Land' 
> Sent: Mon, Aug 19, 2013 3:25:09 AM 
> 
> For a virtually contemporary take,
> one could look at Chas. Williams' THE GREATER TRUMPS. Williams, like Yeats, Crowley, &c. belonged to the Society of the Golden Dawn which carried a lot of cultural weight at a time when the occult was very influential.
> 
> Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> The Tarot Fortune in The Waste Land
> Betsey B. Creekmore
> ELH
> Vol. 49, No. 4 (Winter, 1982), pp. 908-928
> Published by: The Johns Hopkins University Press
> Article Stable URL: http://www.jstor.org/stable/2872904 
> 
> "[T]he Tarot fortune is more than incidental to the meaning and movement of The Waste Land. ... "[I]ndividual reflection" provides meaning for the cards, since "the pictures are like doors which open into unexpected chambers or like a turn in the open road with a wide prospect beyond."
> 
> http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/2872904?uid=3739728&uid=2129&uid=2&uid=70&uid=4&uid=3739256&sid=21102562641427
> 
> looking afresh
> 
> CR
> 
> From: Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]>
> To: [log in to unmask] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 17, 2013 8:31 PM
> Subject: "and here the Wheel"
> 
> Could the list throw light on the various ramifications of the symbol of wheel in TWL?
> 
> I had one in mind but of that later, after I hear from you.
> 
> Regards,
>   CR 
>