And, not incidental, A painter of the Umbrian school Designed upon a gesso ground 10 The nimbus of the Baptized God. The wilderness is cracked and browned But through the water pale and thin Still shine the unoffending feet And there above the painter set 15 The Father and the Paraclete. -- TS Eliot, Mr. Eliot’s Sunday Morning Service CR ________________________________ Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote Saturday, July 6, 2013 8:15 AM: Permit me, in this regard, to share a fine picture of Nativity at http://mariannedorman.homestead.com/Influence.html Signs are taken for wonders. “We would see a sign”: The word within a word, unable to speak a word, Swaddled with darkness. In the juvescence of the year Came Christ the tiger -- TS Eliot, Gerontion CR ________________________________ Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote Saturday, July 6, 2013 7:48 AM: It should be interesting in this regard to read this fine review of 'Lancelot Andrewes'. http://www.lrb.co.uk/v28/n15/eamon-duffy/hew-their-bones-in-sunder It has always been my belief that the noted writer, poet and dramatist, T. S. Eliot was converted to Christianity by his reading of Lancelot Andrewes' sermons. He lived out the Faith as expressed by this prelate and so for the rest of his life he was a staunch Anglo-Catholic. // In an essay he wrote on Andrewes he described Andrewes as the greatest preacher in the Post-Reformation Church who spoke with the authority of the past in the context of the new. "He is the first great preacher of the English Catholic Church." He was thus far superior to John Donne, the popular preacher from St. Paul's Cathedral in the 1620's.-- Marianne Dorman http://mariannedorman.homestead.com/Eliot.html CR ________________________________ P <[log in to unmask]> wrote Friday, July 5, 2013 11:13 PM: No doubt the possibility of joining the Barque of Peter would have occurred to him. Who ever gets 2 audiences with the Pope? But far from it being incompatible with his way of life, he had a daily religious discipline rigorous enough to put most Catholics to shame, and much like the RC variety. No. //It was his identity, his search for roots//which he would have compromised if he followed his friend George. That said, like most Anglo Catholics he wanted some kind of institutional raproachment with Rome, not unlike the current Anglican Ordinariate of the Chair of Peter arrangement. I'm tempted to believe he would have jumped at the chance. P.