Alas, poor Yorick! I knew him, Horatio; a fellow of infinite jest, of most excellent fancy; he hath borne me on his back a thousand times; and now, how abhorred in my imagination it is! My gorge rises at it. Here hung those lips that I have kissed I know not how oft. Where be your gibes now? Your gambols? Your songs? Your flashes of merriment, that were wont to set the table on a roar? (Hamlet, V.i)


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Complete the following line:

Alas poor Richard, I knew him good Yorick,
A fellow of ....

P. M.
P.S. The right-hand man of the winner of the battle of Hastings was a fellow named Montgomery, who, I believe, became the first Prince of Wales. (Move over Charles!)

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Josephine Tey: "The Daughter of Time" 
The main arguments presented in the book in defence of King Richard:
  • There was no political advantage for Richard III in killing the young princes. He was legitimately made king.
  • There is no evidence that the princes were missing from the Tower when Henry VII took over.
  • Although a Bill of Attainder was brought by Henry VII against Richard it made no mention of the princes. There never was any formal accusation, much less a verdict of guilt.
  • Henry never produced the bodies of the dead princes for public mourning and a state funeral.
  • The mother of the Princes, Elizabeth Woodville, remained on good terms with Richard.
  • The Princes were more of a threat to Henry VII as the foundation of his claim to the crown was significantly more remote than theirs.


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Dear List

Josephine Tey, "The Daughter of Time"  published in 2011  is an excellent historical mystery fiction account of Richard III based precisely on what CR notes,  He just didn't look like a horrid man.  

Short book, good read.

CR wrote: "All these stories have just been propaganda. We now know what he looked like, we can see the face of the real Richard III and he doesn’t look like a tyrant. That for me was the most powerful moment to see what he would have looked like in real life.”

Rick Seddon
Portales<, NM