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"Neither does the agent suffer / Nor the patient act." 

CR


P <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 

The phrase 'active agent' is very reminiscent of lines in MITC.
P. M.

Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Some light, that, on Eliot's notion of 'impersonality' ??? 

CR


Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 

the paradox of experience

"And we have the right to say that the world is a construction. Not to say that it is my construction, for in that way 'I' am as much 'my' construction as the world is; but to use the word as best we can without implying any active agent: the world is a construction out of finite centres. Any particular datum can be certain only with regard to what is built upon it, not in itself: and every experience contains the principle of its own self-transcendence. Every experience is a paradox in that it means to be absolute, and yet is relative; in that it somehow always goes beyond itself and yet never escapes itself." -- TS Eliot, 'Knowledge and Experience in the Philosophy of F.H. Bradley', Chapter VII. Conclusion. p. 166.

http://books.google.com/books?id=jMD03TM0qJkC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

CR


Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote Friday, January 11, 2013 10:56 PM: 

To me the inverted commas around 'absolute' in the quotation tend to modify its (absolute's) meaning. The quotation would mean that while different readers could view a poem in different lights, it was necessary to view it in the light of the 'absolute'. 

CR


From: Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]>
To: [log in to unmask]
Sent: Friday, January 11, 2013 10:50 AM
Subject: Re: Dantean Aesthetics in 'The Waste Land'

BTW, 

"[E]ven if a poem meant different things to different readers, it was still necessary to assert its 'absolute' meaning." 
- TS Eliot (to Philip Mairet, 31 october, 1956;
    the collection of Violet Welton) 

A humble endeavor in that direction, TSE! 

CR 


Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote Friday, January 11, 2013 9:22 AM: 

Burning burning burning burning  
O Lord Thou pluckest me out  
O Lord Thou pluckest

http://www.pcmag.com/slideshow_viewer/0,3253,l=249085&a=248513&po=0,00.asp?p=n

CR


Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote Friday, January 11, 2013 8:42 AM: 

O City City . . .