On 1/10/2013 10:57 AM, Nancy Gish wrote:
> The unstated assumption in your claims here is that you do "get" Eliot 
> and therefore are in a postion to judge whether others do.

     I don't think that assumption is there, but let's say it is. Would 
it be a problem? How would it differ from your saying, "But that is 
simply one of many perspectives"? Is it your assumption that you have 
competency in all perspectives and can therefore make the judgement that 
any perspective is "simply one of many perspectives"? Would it not be a 
double standard to object to my doing in kind exactly what you are 
doing: making a judgement?  You certainly don't live by the principle 
that any perspective is simply one of many. Just read back through your 

>   "But that is simply one of many perspectives."

        At least let's notice that our claims are mutually exclusive. No 
paradox here; either/or, not both.

Ken A

> On 1/10/2013 12:17 AM, Nancy Gish wrote:
> For anyone on this list who cares about Eliot's poetry, I think it
> matters very much to realize the degree to which it has been read
> from many, many perspectives.
> This is an oft repeated truism and hardly needs repeating to people on
> this list, at least to those who post to it. People agree and disagree.
> To varying, not to say maddeningly so, degrees. "But," to quote Artie
> Johnson's German soldier, "vut duz it mean?" Now I realize that "read
> from many, many perspectives" does not have to mean the same thing as
> "agree and disagree," at least on the face of it, but it seems to come
> up with great regularity when the need is felt to reign in and tamp down
> some escaping molecule of thought or speculation or assertion that
> might, blush, put Eliot in a positive light. That might even make him
> seem, well, exceptional. That seems to be the cardinal sin. For, as we
> know, views proliferate, people disagree.
> Is entertaining "many, many perspectives" in reading Eliot's poetry an
> end in itself? The reader who rests at that station, which may be
> necessary in some measure to pass through, has everything, potentially,
> and knows nothing. So because I worry about people on this list who
> actually care for Eliot's poetry, let me suggest that the answer to
> Artie Johnson's question when applied to "many, many perspectives" is
> that some people, to varying degrees, get Eliot, and some, to varying
> degrees, don't. Try to affirm the former and move past the latter. The
> truth doesn't lie in consensus.