Or better still to quote the opening lines of the same stanza from The Dry Salvages: It seems, as one becomes older, That the past has another pattern, and ceases to be a mere sequence - Or even development: the latter a partial fallacy Encouraged by superficial notions of evolution, Which becomes, in the popular mind, a means of disowning the past. The moments of happiness - not the sense of well-being, Fruition, fulfilment, security or affection, Or even a very good dinner, but the sudden illumination - We had the experience but missed the meaning, And approach to the meaning restores the experience In a different form, beyond any meaning We can assign to happiness. CR ________________________________ From: Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 2:36 PM Subject: Re: Meeting the stranger "The backward look behind the assurance Of recorded history, the backward half-look Over the shoulder, towards the primitive terror." CR ________________________________ From: P <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 1:11 PM Subject: Re: Meeting the stranger The ancient rime of the new mariner. PM Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote: "restoring / With a new verse the ancient rhyme." CR ________________________________ From: P <[log in to unmask]>; To: <[log in to unmask]>; Subject: Re: Meeting the stranger Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:22:34 PM And they are that with which we create the future. Point well taken pm Tom Colket <[log in to unmask]> wrote: P> Art is prophetic; it can even create the future. The Modernists had an even more startling theory: the present changes the past. For example, consider this passage from Eliot's "Tradition and the Individual Talent" ==================================== ". . . the difference between the present and the past is that the conscious present is an awareness of the past in a way and to an extent which the past's awareness of itself cannot show. Some one said: 'The dead writers are remote from us because we know so much more than they did.' Precisely, and they are that which we know." ==================================== -- Tom -- > Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 01:45:45 -0700 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Meeting the stranger > To: [log in to unmask] > > The future is always strange; science is always about the past. Art is prophetic; it can even create the future. One can't get anything more out of date than the big bang. Fiat lux!!!