I don't see any new ground here. Eliot had read the mystics, and all these images can be found in them. The wind to the dead land, for example, need not come from Satan's wings; in fact, one has been in the dead land for 9 bolgias before getting to the frozen lake, and it does not go "toward" it.

>>> P <[log in to unmask]> 6/29/2012 8:49 PM >>>
I' m curious what justifies the step into Dante. It seems a step too far to me, but what do I know?
As far as I can see, the poem is meaningless. It is a set of perceptions
of the future from the past and of the past from the future. A sort of poetic exercise.

Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

one more time

A Song for Virgil: Dantean References in Eliot's "A Song for Simeon"
Daniela. Cavallaro
From: Journal of Modern Literature 
Volume 24, Number 2, Winter 2000/2001 
pp. 349-352


// [M]ost critics studying the sources of "A Song for Simeon," focus on Luke's or Mark's Gospel. Some, such as Leonard Unger, have connected the image of the stairs to the mystical ascent described by St. John of the Cross. Yet the presence of Dante, or any Dantean influence in this poem, has apparently gone unobserved. An analysis of the Dantean references in Eliot's "A Song for Simeon," however, reveals new parallels between the character of Simeon and that of Virgil.

The first example of the Dantean influence which can be found in "A Song for Simeon" is "the wind that chills towards the dead land." This wind is similar to that created by the moving wings of Lucifer which freeze the waters of Cocytus (Inferno XXXIV). The "cords, scourges and lamentation," furthermore, recall the punishments of the damned in Hell. And the "stations of the mountain of desolation," besides their obvious reference to the martyrdom of Christ on the way to Calvary, can be associated with the various stations through which Dante, together with Virgil, had to pass on their ascent of Mount Purgatory.

Particularly evocative is a passage from the fourth stanza of the poem, in which Simeon lists those experiences of Christianity that "are not for him": "Light upon light, mounting the saints' stair./ Not for me the martyrdom, the ecstasy of thought and prayer,/ Not for me the ultimate vision." Several images in this passage resonate with the experience that is offered to Dante in Purgatory. In the course of his ascent of Mount Purgatory, Dante undergoes a series of purifications, which include dreams, ecstasies, and visions. In the third "cornice," images of the meek (Purgatorio XV, 85-114) and the wrathful (Purgatorio XVII, 13-39) appear to Dante "in una visione estatica di subito . . . tratto" [rapt of a sudden in an ecstatic vision] (Purgatorio XV, 85-86). In addition, prayer -- above all, collective prayer -- is the most constant means of purification in Purgatory, as in the case of "Te lucis ante" of the Anti-purgatory (Purgatorio VIII, 13-18), or of the "Our Father," recited by the proud (Purgatorio XI, 1-24).

On the other hand, the martyrdom, the passage from light to light, the saints' stair, and the ultimate vision may have their source in Dante's Paradise. Martyrdom, for example, was the necessary passage for some blessed souls to reach that same peace which Simeon asks of God, as we see in the case of Boezio: "l'anima santa . . . da martiro e da essilio venne a questa pace" [the holy soul . . . came from martyrdom and exile to this peace] (Paradiso X, 125-129). Further on, in Paradiso XV, Cacciaguida repeats the same words: "venni dal martiro a questa...//

breaking fresh grounds!