The ancient rime of the modern mariner Redeem the time And he a face still forming The sad ghost of Coleridge A familiar compound ghost Redeem the time Beckons to me from the shadows Redeem the time Old men should be explorers Redeem the dream! PM Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote: >Or better still to quote the opening lines of the same stanza from The Dry Salvages: > >It seems, as one becomes older, >That the past has another pattern, and ceases to be a mere sequence - >Or even development: the latter a partial fallacy >Encouraged by superficial notions of evolution, >Which becomes, in the popular mind, a means of disowning the past. >The moments of happiness - not the sense of well-being, >Fruition, fulfilment, security or affection, >Or even a very good dinner, but the sudden illumination - >We had the experience but missed the meaning, >And approach to the meaning restores the experience >In a different form, beyond any meaning >We can assign to happiness. > >CR > > >________________________________ > From: Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 2:36 PM >Subject: Re: Meeting the stranger > > >"The backward look behind the assurance > Of recorded history, the backward half-look > Over the shoulder, towards the primitive terror." > > CR > > >________________________________ > From: P <[log in to unmask]> >To: [log in to unmask] >Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 1:11 PM >Subject: Re: Meeting the stranger > > >The ancient rime of the new mariner. >PM > >Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > >"restoring / With a new verse the ancient rhyme." > >CR > > > >________________________________ > From: P <[log in to unmask]>; >To: <[log in to unmask]>; >Subject: Re: Meeting the stranger >Sent: Fri, Jul 6, 2012 12:22:34 PM > > >And they are that with which we create the future. Point well taken pm > >Tom Colket <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > >P> Art is prophetic; it can even create the future. > >The Modernists had an even more startling theory: the present changes the past. > >For example, consider this passage from Eliot's "Tradition and the Individual Talent" > >==================================== >". . . the difference between the present and the past is that the conscious present is an awareness of the past in a way and to an extent which the past's awareness of itself cannot show. > >Some one said: 'The dead writers are remote from us because we know so much more than they did.' Precisely, and they are that which we know." >==================================== >-- Tom -- > > >> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2012 01:45:45 -0700 >> From: [log in to unmask] >> Subject: Re: Meeting the stranger >> To: [log in to unmask] >> >> The future is always strange; science is always about the past. Art is prophetic; it can even create the future. One can't get anything more out of date than the big bang. Fiat lux!!!