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Interesting discussion, folks.

Why did Eliot choose Anglicanism over Roman Catholicism?

On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 12:13 AM, Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]>wrote:

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> If you read Barry Spurr's book you will discover that Eliot defined himself
> very clearly as an Anglo-Catholic, and even on occasion as an
> Anglo-Papalist.
> I think he wished for a reunion of the Anglicans with Catholics. He had a
> couple
> of audiences with the Pope (Paul VI?), and was quite easy with the
> Anglo-Catholics'
> view of the Pope as the Patriarch of the West.
>
> If you read his esay "Thoughts After Lambeth" you will discover a certain
> lack of respect for the Anglican hierarchy, or at least some of it ... it's
> hard to tell.
>
>
> Cheers,
> Peter
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* John Angell Grant <[log in to unmask]>
> *To:* [log in to unmask]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, May 30, 2012 10:56 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Why did T.S. Eliot believe in God?
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> Thanks for the pointer, Peter.  I guess an understanding of what god was
> for Eliot is part of what I'm looking for.  I'm guessing he knew a lot of
> the literature of debate between the English Anglicans and the English
> Roman Catholics, before he made his choice for Anglicanism and some form of
> its theology.  Where did he weigh in on the 39 Articles, and related
> theological and political debate, the Trinity, etc.  Some of these
> questions may be addressed in the scholarly sources offered over the last
> day; I haven't gotten to them yet.  Thanks, everybody, for the
> thoughtfulness.  I just read Lytton Strachey's fabulous collection of four
> short biographies "Eminent Victorians," which wanders through the
> Anglican-Roman Catholic conflict from various perspectives.  I'm thinking
> Eliot probably had opinions on those people, and on their striking belief
> systems.
>
> j.
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> On Tue, May 29, 2012 at 7:57 PM, Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]>wrote:
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>> I would highly recommend Barry Spurr's BOOK "Anglo-Catholicism,
>> Anglo-Catholic in Religion: T. S. Eliot and Christianity" It is a
>> transformation of his doctoral thesis produce with the blessing of his
>> doctoral supervisor and of Mrs. Eliot (if memory seerves).
>>
>> I am curious about your definition of "god" that you wish to understand
>> Eliot's
>> belief in. His arrival in belief was, as has been mentioned, a long and
>> winding road. As I remember, when he got to the querstion of becoming a
>> budddhist or hindu, he felt that culturally he could not make the jump. The
>> quote
>> (for which I cannot provide a source. I read it long ago, and more
>> recently saw
>> a more recent poet refer to it) is roughly, that if ne is a weaterner,
>> one cannot make the leap to another religion, and vice versa. In effect he
>> could not abandon his roots.
>>
>> That he had strong mystical leanings I think one cannot deny. Barry Spurr
>> even provides an example of his having a mystical experience after
>> receiving communion. As a Catholic and an Anglican I seriously doubt that
>> he made
>> a distinction between belief in God and mystical expeience. He seems to
>> have thought that mystical experience is experience of God.
>>
>> You are right to present the matter as being a serious surprise and even
>> let down for his contemporaries. It seems many saw TWL as a kind of atheist
>> manifesto. In fact Ithink many still take it in that way. He was certainly
>> seriously punished by his coontemporaries for his so called juump. His
>> response was
>> again a quote the source for which I cannot supply, but it went something
>> like:
>> In an age in which everyone is trying to escape, a person going in the
>> opposite direction will seem to run away.--- That's not quite right, but
>> close.
>> Eliot's work was so broad and deep, it is hard to hang on to every bit of
>> it.
>>
>> Again, I am interested in your definition of the being in which you say
>> Eliot believed.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Peter
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: John Angell Grant
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:19 AM
>> Subject: Why did T.S. Eliot believe in God?
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>> Why did T.S. Eliot believe in god?
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>> Pound and others found Eliot's belief in god incomprehensible.
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>>
>> Can anyone steer me to the scholarship on this issue, the issue of why
>> Eliot believed in god?
>>
>>
>> Thanks in advance for any ideas.
>>
>>
>> John
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