It's amazing how a wrong word typed can change a meaning. My second sentence should have read

". No one is expressing an opinion that what the photographer did was right"

I hope everyone realized the crossing of two thought in my head!

Sorry

Clark Creighton


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On Feb 18, 2012, at 9:02 PM, Clark Creighton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

I worry where this discussion could lead. No one is expressing an opinion that what the photographer did was wrong. The continued conversation on this subject, in my opinion, is just setting the line of birders vs photographers even deeper. I have been yelled at because I had a camera in the field while birding. Posts such as this will only add to the opinion all photographers only care about the shot. 

I hope most know there are bad photographers just as I'm sure there are bad birders. Everyone just needs to understand its not the norm the behavior shown in the video for the majority of photographers

Good birding everyone

Clark Creighton
Wildwood mo


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On Feb 18, 2012, at 7:30 PM, David Becher <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

Inexcusable is mild, shocking however; it is not.  Unfortunately, there is a large group in the photography community that either do not know or do not care about what there activities do the birds as long as they get their picture.  This is not limited to amateurs and semi-professionals.  Some of the professionals are as bad or worse, because they have a deadline and a project goal to meet. 
I was told that a BBC nature photography group was told never to return to Rancho Naturalista in Costa Rica after they hacked up the vegetation around the hummingbird feeders in an  attempt to get "better" pictures of the Snowcaps that feed there.
David Becher
Saint Louis
 
> Date: Sat, 18 Feb 2012 17:37:06 -0600
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> Subject: Re: How to flush a Snowy Owl
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> Mark is correct, except for one thing. He said "photographer" singular. The two guys with the mega lenses standing there watching the creep[er] displayed shocking and inexcusable behavior by not telling the guy to stop. And did you notice, the creep[er]'s camera was sitting on a tripod back with the other two.? If he wasn't getting a photo on his camera, he was probably trying to get an action shot for his buddies.
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> There is value to good photography of birds. No, there are several values. But none of them justify callous disregard of the simple fact that the subject of the photo is not an inanimate object. It is a living creature. Assumption of dominion over the earth's creatures does not bring with it the right to destroy them to serve our vanity.
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> How do we, the members of this community of Mobirds, as birders, as birder-photographers, and as photographers of birds go about increasing awareness of and adherence to responsible, ethical behavior in the presence of wild birds?
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> This has often been a touchy subject. The time has come to address it maturely, with a goal to make a positive difference in behavior to the benefit of birds and the people who revel in their beauty and wildness.
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> What can and should we do, as individuals and as a community? When should we intervene? How should we do it? How can we reduce incidences like the one depicted, even as the number of photographers (and birders) is increasing?
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> Edge Wade
> Columbia, MO
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> On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:27 PM, Mark Gutchen wrote:
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> > The behavior of the photographer was shocking and inexcusable!
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> > Mark Gutchen
> > Columbia, Mo
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> > Sent from my iPad
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> > On Feb 18, 2012, at 12:19 PM, Charlene Malone <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> >> Making the rounds on the internet.
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> >> http://www.ilbirds.com/index.php?topic=50015.0
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> >> Charlene Malone
> >> St. Louis co.
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> >> The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum
> >> ASM Spring Meeting: April 27, 2012 in Joplin, MO
> >> http://www.mobirds.org/ASM/Meetings.aspx
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> > The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum
> > ASM Spring Meeting: April 27, 2012 in Joplin, MO
> > http://www.mobirds.org/ASM/Meetings.aspx
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> The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum
> ASM Spring Meeting: April 27, 2012 in Joplin, MO
> http://www.mobirds.org/ASM/Meetings.aspx
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The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum
ASM Spring Meeting: April 27, 2012 in Joplin, MO
http://www.mobirds.org/ASM/Meetings.aspx
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The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum
ASM Spring Meeting: April 27, 2012 in Joplin, MO
http://www.mobirds.org/ASM/Meetings.aspx
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The Audubon Society of Missouri's Wild Bird Discussion Forum
ASM Spring Meeting: April 27, 2012 in Joplin, MO
http://www.mobirds.org/ASM/Meetings.aspx