From: Ken Armstrong <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, October 10, 2011 8:20 AM
Subject: Re: Eliot and literary culture
Nancy Gish wrote:
> . But the concluding evaluation is a bit exaggerated: "the literary mind par exellence" would be more convincing with "a" in place of "the." He was not "the" only great mind of his time even if he was possibly exceptionally influential, partly
because, as editor of Faber and Faber, he was able to define who mattered, and he did not hesitate to assert his own judgment.
POSSIBLY??? Because he was an editor!? God help us. Anyhow, call for "diverse readings" all you want; one of them would certainly be that Eliot was "the literary mind par excellence." Many "educated and continuing readers of Eliot" have said so, contrary to what many advocates of "diverse readings" prefer to believe. You want to privilege one side of the rift; CR the other. You don't need to control all threads to pursue your interests. Cowley awaits. For myself, I'm reminded of Ted Hughes' "Dancer to God" and will review that piece that I've not seen for some years.
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> My point is that, if this is supposed to show up anyone who fails to recognize Eliot's poetic brilliance or historic influence, it's very old news and no one is disagreeing. This is aimed at educated readers who are not scholars or continuing readers of Eliot, as I assume everyone on this list is. I think this list should move well beyond all this totally contrived and empty challenging of diverse readings as either properly idealizing or not and try to have some discussion of Eliot as a poet and critic from many points of view.
> In a (no doubt mad) attempt to do that--I'm reading Eliot's prose again. Does he discuss Cowley somewhere other than in "The Metaphysical Poets" and the essay on Marvell? I'll be looking, but I'm interested if anyone knows right away, and I'm interested in how he rated Cowley. He was countering Samuel Johnson's dismissal of the
metaphysicals, but he made distinctions.
> >>> Chokh Raj 10/09/11 10:22 PM >>>
> T.S. Eliot and the Demise of the Literary Culture
> Joseph Epstein
> 8 Nov 2010
> Compels you to sit back and take note.