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Thanks Rickard.
That's a VERY rich piece.
Cheers,
Peter M.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rickard A. Parker" <[log in to unmask]>
To: <[log in to unmask]>
Sent: Tuesday, October 11, 2011 5:22 PM
Subject: Re: Patricia Sloane's Bleistein book (was Re: Patricia Sloane's Key 
to 'The Waste Land')


> Thank you Rick.  I'm familiar with a number of Pat's views through her 
> posts on
> the TSE list and other writings but I have not even seen her book.
>
> I probably owe the list more on this topic but I have problems getting 
> things
> down in writing.  But to make up for this I have resurrected Pat's "Pun 
> and
> Games" from the "Yeats Eliot Review."  I had placed a copy of it on my 
> website
> years ago but removed it when Pat created her own AOL website.  You can
> find it again at its old URL:
>     http://www.std.com/~raparker/pub/pun_and_games.html
>
> Regards,
>     Rick Parker
>
>
>
> On 10/8/2011 4:23 PM, Richard Seddon wrote:
>> Rick
>>
>> The individual chapters of Pat's book absolutely could serve as essays. 
>> Each has its own well developed theme that is, of course, subordinated to 
>> her over all theme, yet each chapter can largely stand alone.  As stated 
>> in her preface, "My thesis is that the poems form an organic sequence, 
>> and provide a comic or absurdist improvisation on 'Dante's Commedia'.
>>
>> In pursuit of her theme she uses an extreme in-depth analysis of the 
>> poems including word count and other forms of non-semantic analysis.  She 
>> delves much into the meaning of words from the cultural and historical 
>> setting of TSE, particularly his early life in St Louis.
>>
>> For those scholars that reject technical analysis of poems, Pat's book 
>> would be unattractive.
>>
>> As I have stated the depth of her scholarship is immense especially as 
>> opposed to the abrupt and unsupported accusations of Julius.   Julius 
>> seems to always rest his case upon words to the effect of --"Well I am 
>> Jewish and I am affronted and appalled by these Poems" (Julius of course 
>> never said exactly this but I think I have given my sense of his book).
>>
>> Well, Pat was Jewish also and she saw a completely different reading to 
>> the poems.  One not absolutely rooted in anti- Semitism.  Pat does not 
>> deny that TSE was probably, like his time, anti-Semitic.  He probably 
>> was, but she denies this as the best reading of the poems.
>>
>> I think Pat's book is as tight a close reading of a small set of poems as 
>> any I have seen.
>>
>> One can agree or not agree with her analysis but the book deserves 
>> scholarly attention if only to exploit the wealth of material that Pat 
>> unearth in her research.
>>
>> BTW there are several pages devoted to an area TSE scholarship much loved 
>> by the members of this list: the notes to TWL.
>>
>> Rick Seddon
>> Portales, NM
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
>> Behalf Of Rickard A. Parker
>> Sent: Friday, October 07, 2011 2:23 PM
>> To: [log in to unmask]
>> Subject: Re: Patricia Sloane's Bleistein book (was Re: Patricia Sloane's 
>> Key to 'The Waste Land')
>>
>> On Mon, 3 Oct 2011 14:38:23 -0400, Tom Colket<[log in to unmask]> 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Anyway, if there is any interest in discussion of her Burbank book, I
>>> will
>> try to contribute.
>>
>>
>>> On Sun, 2 Oct 2011 21:24:23 -0600, Rick Seddon<[log in to unmask]>  wrote:
>>
>>> BTW, in my reading of her book I found some of her positions to be
>> convincing and others not so.  Again, I would encourage all to read the
>> book.  If possible the reading should be done with Julius close at hand.
>>
>>
>> Was Pat's book written with separate essays dealing with anti-semitism 
>> and treatment of Jews in the poems?  Or were her opinions on this 
>> included with the discussions of each of the poems she wrote about?
>>
>> Regards,
>>      Rick Parker
>>