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insightful Julius encounter here ?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/2010/feb/07/anthony-julius-diana-dina-antisemitism

On 13 October 2011 20:51, David Boyd <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Much here
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> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitism
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> - antisemitism is I think an example of perpetuated social and
> social-psychological prejudice going back well over 1000 years in European
> history.
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> The psychological roots of prejudicial attitudes are well-known (eg 'the
> child is father to the man'), but often overlooked by those zealots  who
> seek to writhe Eliot out of his social-psychological context, and pillory
> the guy totally unrealistically for not observing 21st century codas of
> political correctness
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> Pat was a breath of fresh air in that she was astute enough to recognize
> this and, despite her own Jewishness, not necessarily to take umbrage about
> it, a la Mr Julius et al
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> She once observed to me, about living in NYC, that 'if you look and behave
>  like a potential victim, you'll become one'
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> Pat was far above simply playing the antisemirism card herself, and a very
> great example of 'we are where we are' philosophy.
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> RIP, Pat (though sure she'll be giving St Peter and friends utter hell)
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>
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> On 13 October 2011 19:55, Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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>>  Certainly, Rick. They all meld into one.
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>> But all this is too obvious, for all to see, and censure.
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>> What, however, interests me is the etiology of Eliot's anti-semitism.
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>> Some of it is obvious in the long history of social prejudice.
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>> However, there seem to be larger, and not so obvious, contexts that lie
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>> behind Eliot's anti-Semitic stance. On one occasion a critic I posted the
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>> link to at the list provided much insight on this.  I can't find it now.
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>> Well, I'd like to keep informed on this. I await Patricia Sloane to
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>> arrive any day. And I look forward to reading her.
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>> Thanks,
>>  CR
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>>  *From:* Rickard A. Parker <[log in to unmask]>
>> *To:* [log in to unmask]
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 13, 2011 1:32 PM
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>> *Subject:* Re: The Jew in Eliot's poetry (was Re: Eliot and literary
>> culture)
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>> On 10/13/2011 11:15 AM, Chokh Raj wrote:
>> > Consider this too, if you like.
>> > 1. Mr Eugenides, the Smyrna merchant;
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>> > 2. Bleistein (Chicago Semite Viennese);
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>> > 3. "the jew", "Spawned in some estaminet of Antwerp, /
>> > Blistered in Brussels, patched and peeled in London".
>> > All three could be variations on essentially the same character.
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>> Why? Because all three are associated with cities?
>> If so then Mr. Silvero at Limoges COULD be a Jewish landlord.
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>> Regards,
>>     Rick Parker
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