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You have to love those a-ha moments!  To me, double-entry means the physical
act of entering data twice.  I hate it - it doubles the chance of errors.
Sometimes it is necessary and that I understand.  I think that physical act
is what Danny was referring to (although I am certainly not 100% sure
anymore) and it is a complaint I've heard from folks long before eBird ever
existed.  Now, if you are talking about duplicate records in eBird, that's a
whole different story.  If I may speak for him, Scott (from the eBird team)
is not concerned about that because eBird can often get duplicate records
from three friends birding together who all go home and enter their day's
checklist in eBird.  I suspect the eBird analysis tools take such things
into consideration.  Scott, if you want to add any further clarification,
please do.


Ann Johnson
Norwalk, IA


I think the confusion here is over the definition of 'double entry.' I enter
an observation on a particular date into CACHE/SPARKS and the same
observation into eBird, but since that  same CACHE/SPARKS data eventually
goes to eBird, does that create a double entry on eBird?
Well, yes it does, but as you said in an off-list message to me, it's OK
because the data is used for different purposes. Hope this helps to clarify.

Kevin Wehner
Kansas City

On 7/1/11, Ann Johnson <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> Mea culpa!  Good communication skills are highly under-rated and I 
> guess I need some more work on mine.  I have now heard from two people 
> who totally misunderstood my answer to Danny's question.  The question 
> was simply "how do I avoid double-entry [if I use both eBird and 
> CACHE/SPARKS]" and my answer was "you don't; [you enter it both 
> places]".  It's a simple fact of life and in no way was intended to 
> reflect upon anyone's choice of tools to use to keep their lists.  Now 
> I need to go enter some sightings into AviSys, eBird, the Iowa BBA site,
and Iowa field reports.  Sheesh - quadruple entry!
> It is what it is.  Sorry for any misunderstandings.
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> From: Missouri Wild Bird Forum [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On 
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> Subject: Re: How CACHE/SPARKS work
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> Since my friend Danny has jumped into the fray, I guess maybe you will 
> tolerate another northerner jumping in as well.  Let me say up front 
> that I am reasonably well acquainted with CACHE/SPARKS from working 
> with Patrick many years ago in developing the original CACHE data 
> collection as well as the subsequent addition of SPARKS.  We are 
> currently working on a major upgrade which should be out late summer.
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> First, to answer Danny's question - "How am I, as an avid eBirder, to 
> bypass a double-entry issue?"  The simple answer is "If you want to 
> keep your own records on eBird, right now you're not."  This is not 
> dissimilar to those of us old curmudgeons who insist on maintaining 
> control of our own birding data (I use AviSys) and then doing a second 
> or even a third entry for things like eBird, seasonal field reports, 
> etc.  Now I hate double-entry just as much as the next person but I do 
> understand that there are logical and necessary reasons for different 
> stores of data. With the new version I hope to have a utility built 
> where a trip in CACHE can be downloaded and then uploaded to your user 
> account in eBird to solve that issue that seems to sidetrack folks from
the actual goals.
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> eBird is great; I've used it to plan where to lead groups to maximize 
> our chances of finding particular species.  It is large enough that it 
> is beginning to show some interesting trends such as migration 
> patterns.  But - it is only one item in a set of tools we as birders 
> can use to further our goals of understanding and preserving those things
that are important to us.
> I am always amazed when I see these discussions crop up because eBird 
> and CACHE/SPARKS are two distinctly separate tools in the toolbox and 
> aren't in competition with each other even though the data they 
> collect has some similarities.  You in Missouri are extremely lucky to 
> have a conservation funding structure that allows ASM to develop 
> projects like CACHE and SPARKS and in turn come to the table with some 
> dollars in hand for habitat protection and restoration.  All it takes 
> is a little labor from the birding community doing what they like 
> best.  Seriously, the time it takes to debate the merits of either is 
> often more than what it would take to contribute to both eBird and
CACHE/SPARKS.
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> The bottom line is determining a personal level of commitment to 
> either or both, not unlike our personal commitments to recycling, 
> fuel-efficient vehicles, and what not.  I wish we had such an opportunity
here in Iowa.
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> Seeing the headings on CACHE/SPARKS in MO has piqued my curiosity. I 
> have done very little birding in Missouri so I'm not entirely familiar 
> with birding and/or public areas in the state, so I'm enjoying the 
> information provided. I vaguely remember a conflict coming up in a 
> past discussion, not anything real specific, but I seem to recall a 
> more orient towards submitting through CACHE/SPARKS and not eBird, on 
> a personal level. How am I, as an avid eBirder, to bypass a double-entry
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> Ankeny, Iowa
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