O, to be a young poet in Paris
RICHARD DA SILVA
http://www.broadstreetreview.com/index.php/main/article/young_tom_eliots_april_in_paris/
 
CR

 
--- On Thu, 7/28/11, Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
an observation, a truism almost
 
Of these four poems, however, only 'Conversation Galante' finds its way into 'Poems 1917'.  Others are, at best, weak imitations, derivatives only.
 
A radical poetic transformation, and poetry of high order -- suffused with the spirit of Laforgue and yet wholly Eliot in its vision, like "Prufrock" and "Portrait of a Lady" -- however, commence only during/after Eliot's crucial year in Paris, especially after his (presumable) poetic interaction with Verdenal and their common enthusiasm for Laforgue.
 
I'd couple this fact with Eliot's dedication of his first volume of poems to Verdenal, and view the whole thing in the light of the homage Eliot pays him from Dante.  To me, Verdenal's role appears to be providential in Eliot's poetic development.
 
This was one aspect of the Paris visit, a most significant, though. But Verdenal is apparently so much a part of, a sounding board to, Eliot's exposure to literature, art and philosophy there -- a turning point in Eliot's career as a poet. One can appreciate the dedication and the homage justifiably in this light.
 
Thanks,
 CR
 
 --- On Wed, 7/27/11, Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
This is just to corroborate you, Rickard.
 
"After reading Symons ['The Symbolist Movement in Literature' in December 1908], Eliot immediately ordered the three volumes of Laforgue's 'Oeuvres Completes', which arrived in the following spring. //The poems written in 1909 after his discovery of Laforgue -- 'Nocturne', 'Humouresque', 'Spleen', 'Conversation Galante' -- show a marked transformation in Eliot's poetry."//  -- Manju Jain, 'T.S. ELIOT: Selected Poems', (Delhi: Oxford University Press), 1998.
 
Cheers,
CR


--- On Wed, 7/27/11, Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote: 
Keep it up, Rick. I appreciate.
 
Regards,
 CR
--- On Wed, 7/27/11, Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
Glad to know you're still in there keeping us honest, Rickard.Thanks,Peter----- Original Message ----- From: "Rickard A. Parker" <[log in to unmask]" rel=nofollow target=_blank>[log in to unmask]>To: <[log in to unmask]" rel=nofollow target=_blank>[log in to unmask]>Sent: Sunday, July 24, 2011 6:03 AMSubject: Re: The Hyacinth Passage in TWL (was Re: Henry Adams on Silence)> Eliot had already written poetry in the manner of Laforgue before> meeting Verdenal.  See for example>http://world.std.com/~raparker/exploring/tseliot/works/poems/eliot-harvard-poems.html#About-Humouresque>      Humouresque (after J. Laforgue)>      * First line: One of my marionettes is dead>      * Advocate issue: Volume 88, no. 7, p. 103>      * Date: January 12, 1910>> How much mentoring did TSE need in 1910-11 when he finished LSJAP in 1911?>> And where did Chinmoy Guha get his "facts" about Verdenal and Eliot?>> Regards,>      Rick Parker>>>> Chokh Raj wrote:> > /of dedication /> >> > Jean Verdenal: among Eliot's first poetic mentors> >> > It was quite illuminating to learn that Jean Verdenal was among Eliot's> > first poetic mentors whose ardor for Laforgue caught him.* No wonder the> > poet repaid the debt by dedicating his first volume of poems /Prufrock> > and Other Observations 1917/ to his poet-friend in Paris who was killed> > in the First World War on the Anglo-French expedition to the Dardanelles> > in 1915. [*/Where the Dreams Cross: T.S. Eliot and French Poetry/ by> > Chinmoy Guha,> > Papyrus, 2000]> >> > CR