Dear Carrol,

I'm not sure what you mean by point-making but I used the phrase to  
indicate that the typist passage in the poem has meaning. Otherwise  
why would Eliot, Pound and Vivienne have
agreed to keep it in the poem?

Because it has a raison d'etre in the poem does not mean it is easily  
translatable into a prose sentence, that it lacks subtext, nuance,  
connotations, music, etc.

Secondly, if the typist and the young man have an ongoing relationship  
she would have to be suffering masochism to a seriously pathological  
degree to be willing to subject herself to repeated rapes. Eliot does  
not portray her as a mad woman but rather as a dull one.

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On May 12, 2010, at 10:47 AM, Carrol Cox <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Diana Manister wrote:
>> Dear Nancy,
>> The typist and young man seem to be portrayed as in an ongoing
>> relationship. Eliot it seems to me is condemning the perfunctory
>> nature of their sexual relation. She regards it as obligatory. She  
>> has
>> no dream of love. By creating these specific characters to make his
>> point Eliot indicates that he sees lower class people as animalistic.
> Perhaps Eliot regarded the lower classes as animalistic, but this
> episode certainly isn't evidence. It is precisely what some would call
> "animalistic sexual passion" which is lacking from the pair. Their
> problem then would be that they are not animalistic enough.
> That is absurd, but so is your suggestion. Keep animalistic out of it
> one way or the other.
> Also, this construal does not contradict Nancy's suggestion that the
> young man commits Date Rape.
> And finally, it seems odd to speak of Eliot "making a point" here.
> Point-making seems precisely what is carefully kept out of the poem.
> Carrol