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Do these personages think about what they are doing?
Do these personages have any choice about what they are doing?

Have they ever had any awareness or choice that they could surrender
deliberately?
Seems as though they are presnted as never having had such.

P.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carrol Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 5:15 AM
Subject: Re: Mr. Eugenides


> Peter Montgomery wrote:
> >
> > Sorry to be responding so long after the fact, but I wanted
> > to be able to take some time on this one.
> >
> > I don't think there can be any argument that sex as it is
> > presented in TWL is VERY dehumanised,
>
> I guess my fundamental quarrel is with the word itself: it simply
> doesn't name anything.
>
> If we speak of desalination, we meam remove a specific substance, salt,
> from the water. What are we removing when we "dehumanize" someone? The
> word is arrogant in a way, making the explicit claim that the user knows
> precisely what a definite entity, "humanity," which hides in each
> person, is.
>
> Does Eliot ever use the word in his prose?
>
> If the  clerk isn't a human (as desqlinated water isn't saltwater), what
> is he? Someone speaks of an automaton. But these are all metaphors, and
> pretty sloppy metaphors, being used by the reader, not by Eliot in the
> poem.
>
> My people, humble people etc. Is she not a human being?
>
> Try to make some sense of this metaphor. It is obvious that the poet (or
> his persona) is sneering at many of the characters, that he sees them as
> socially deficieent and following undesirable patterns of behavior: but
> only humans can do that.
>
> Carrol