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Yes I meant TWL speaker. Texting to the list from a mobile device is  
not conducive to clear thinking. Mostly I'm trying to find the letters  
on the miniscule keypad. Sorry. I'll post my comments from my PC in  
future.

Diana

Sent from my iPod

On Apr 22, 2010, at 6:43 AM, "Rickard A. Parker"  
<[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Diana Manister wrote:
>> The 'Prufrock' speaker also finds teenage acne to be an indication of
>> inferiority, otherwise why mention it?
>
> I assume you meant TWL, not Prufrock. I was comparing the two poems
> and I think you may have gotten a short circuit. ;-)
>
> In the draft of TWL Eliot provided a long description of the young man
> carbuncular. Most of it got edited out.  It was overdone but  
> definitely
> pictured the man as low class.  I think the typist scene was where
> Pound complained of too much ta-tum.
>
> But, back to expectations not being met: As I wrote earlier, we were
> awaiting an expected guest (the expectation) to see the arrival of
> a pimpled kid (the drop.)  That's the image.  Looking at the words
> Eliot used to produce the image though you see that the adjective
> "carbuncular" is tacked onto the end of "young man" prolonging the
> high expectation longer.  Even if that doesn't increase the height
> of the fall it does make the drop in expectations steeper.
>
> Regards,
>    Rick Parker
>
>
>
>> The 'Prufrock' speaker also finds teenage acne to be an indication of
>> inferiority, otherwise why mention it?
>>
>> Diana
>>
>> Sent from my iPod
>>
>> On Apr 20, 2010, at 7:46 PM, "Rickard A. Parker"
>> <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
>>
>>> On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 09:13:45 -0400, DIana Manister
>>> <[log in to unmask]
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Excellent analysis of Eliot's technique of turning the lofty into  
>>>> the
>>>> sordid.
>>>
>>> Thanks but it's not an original thought.  I can't remember right now
>>> where it came from though.
>>>
>>>> Apparently he or Prufrock placed women's freshly laundered
>>>> underwear with the latter!
>>>
>>> Seems so but on the other hand the use of "perilously" could  
>>> indicate
>>> that the loss of the undies would rank right up there with the  
>>> loss of
>>> the Lusitania. ;-)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>   Rick Parker
>>>
>>
>