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No need to feel embarrased. We all make boobos.
Remember McLuhan's dictum: break down is break through.
 
Cheers,
P.
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From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Diana Manister
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Sent: Friday, March 26, 2010 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: Eliot on Charles Williams' mysticism

Thanks Peter; that helps me feel less embarrassed!

Diana

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On Mar 26, 2010, at 1:42 AM, Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

An understandable mistake given the writing style.
P.
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From: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">Diana Manister
To: [log in to unmask] href="mailto:[log in to unmask]">[log in to unmask]
Sent: Thursday, March 25, 2010 10:55 AM
Subject: Re: Eliot on Charles Williams' mysticism

Dear Ken,
 
Yes, you are right and I am wrong. On re-reading the excerpt, it's clear that "Deity" pertains to Love.
 
I guess that's what Carrol meant when he wrote:
 
"Huh?

C"
 
I deserved that!

Diana
 
Diana Manister wrote:
>
> Dear Carrol,
>
> Anathematizing descriptions of mystical experience is at least as old
> as Lao-Tze, who wrote "Those who speak do not know; those who know do
> not speak." The Cloud of Unknowing takes this position too, as do many
> texts on the subject. Is it the Torah that forbids writing the name of
> God?
>
> Images representing God are proscribed by some religions too, aren't
> they? Buddhism allows representations of gurus and the Buddha, but
> they are not images of God.
>
> The discussion we had on the list about worship of the Virgin Mary as
> a deity being prohibited by the church might be informed by this
> excerpt:
>
> "The Figure of Beatrice...is a deity of whom most human beings seldom
> see more than the shadow"
>
> Curioser and curioser.
>
> Diana


 
> Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2010 12:07:26 -0400
> From: [log in to unmask]
> Subject: Re: Eliot on Charles Williams' mysticism
> To: [log in to unmask]
>
> Diana Manister wrote:
> >
> > The discussion we had on the list about worship of the Virgin Mary as
> > a deity being prohibited by the church might be informed by this excerpt:
> >
> > "The Figure of Beatrice...is a deity of whom most human beings seldom
> > see more than the shadow"
> >
> > Curioser and curioser.
> Except that your quote isn't what Eliot wrote:
>
> Love, in the
> meaning which it had for Williams-....-is a deity of whom most human beings
> seldom see more than the shadow.
>
> "Love," not "the figure of Beatrice," is the subject of "is a deity..."
>
> I didn't really see any ill will per se in Carrol's "mystic" demystification. Just the usual Carroling. Don't tell him I said so.
>
> Ken A


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