I can't remember how we ended up on the topic of the Virgin in discussing "Gerontion" ("Ash Wednesday" I can see.) I made a comment about it being off topic and you came back with (a few days ago, the 11th): > If you read my post concerning Eliot's attraction to primitive > religions, myths and genuine heartfelt faith you would see my point > that worshipping Mary as a deity is an expression of the kind of > spiritual experience that brings rainfall to the desert or warms > someone under a windy hill. Prayers to Mary are as "valid" as those > mentioned in Little Gidding that are felt and not validated > intellectually, to wit: > ... > Not off-topic, but right on target. Gerontion is a condition of > ennervation, anomie, aboulie, due to a dearth of the kind of faith > simple believers exerience. I was reading Chapter 25 of Henry Adams' "The Education of The Education of Henry Adams" (1918) reviewed by Eliot in 1919. This book is noted in Eliot commentaries as a source for "dogwood and chestnut, flowering judas" and "an old man driven by the Trades / To a sleepy corner" (Adams, ch 21: "sleep forever in the trade-winds") In chapter 25 (entitled "Dynamo and the Virgin (1900)" Adams talks about the Paris World's Fair of 1900 and the scientific and technological exhibits. Some have conjectured that Eliot may have based his vision of history in this poem on this chapter of Henry Adam's autobiography. Perhaps the reason for sexing history as a she is from this. Adams' paragraph 17 (next to last) of chapter 25 (entitled "Dynamo and the Virgin (1900)" Yet in mechanics, whatever the mechanicians might think, both energies acted as interchangeable force on man, and by action on man all known force may be measured. Indeed, few men of science measured force in any other way. After once admitting that a straight line was the shortest distance between two points, no serious mathematician cared to deny anything that suited his convenience, and rejected no symbol, unproved or unproveable, that helped him to accomplish work. The symbol was force, as a compass-needle or a triangle was force, as the mechanist might prove by losing it, and nothing could be gained by ignoring their value. Symbol or energy, the Virgin had acted as the greatest force the Western world ever felt, and had drawn man’s activities to herself more strongly than any other power, natural or supernatural, had ever done; the historian’s business was to follow the track of the energy; to find where it came from and where it went to; its complex source and shifting channels; its values, equivalents, conversions. It could scarcely be more complex than radium; it could hardly be deflected, diverted, polarised, absorbed more perplexingly than other radiant matter. Adams knew nothing about any of them, but as a mathematical problem of influence on human progress, though all were occult, all reacted on his mind, and he rather inclined to think the Virgin easiest to handle. Regards, Rick Parker Here are some links and other bits of information that may be helpful in a reading of "Gerontion" or else just a start on some surfing. I'm including this information redundantly in two different Eliot list posts on "Gerontion" that both mention Adam's chapter 25 of his autobiography. One post deals with signs and wonders and the other with the Virgin Mary and history. Henry Adams was a third cousin of T.S. Eliot's father, Henry Ware Eliot, Sr., whose mother was Abigail Adams Cranch, a grandchild of Mary (Smith) Cranch, sister of Abigail (Smith) Adams. Wikipedia article about Henry Adams http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henry_Adams Henry Brooks Adams (February 16, 1838 – March 27, 1918; normally called Henry Adams) was an American journalist, historian, academic and novelist. Wikipedia article about the book The Education of Henry Adams http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Education_of_Henry_Adams Chapter 25 of The Education of Henry Adams The Dynamo and the Virgin (1900) http://www.bartleby.com/159/25.html Eliot wrote a review of Adams' book. C79. A Sceptical Patrician. Athenaeum, 4647 (May 23, 1919) 361-2. A review, signed: T.S.E., of The Education of Henry Adams, An Autobiography. In Chapter 25 of his book Adams writes of the Paris World's Fair of 1900. Two prominent men mentioned are Langley and St. Gaudens. Wikipedia article about Exposition Universelle (1900) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exposition_Universelle_(1900) The Exposition Universelle of 1900 was a world's fair held in Paris, France, to celebrate the achievements of the past century and to accelerate development into the next. Wikipedia article about Samuel Pierpont Langley http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_Pierpont_Langley Samuel Pierpont Langley (August 22, 1834, Roxbury, Massachusetts – February 27, 1906, Aiken, South Carolina) was an American astronomer, physicist, inventor of the bolometer and pioneer of aviation. Wikipedia article about Augustus Saint-Gaudens http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Augustus_Saint-Gaudens Augustus Saint-Gaudens (March 1, 1848, Dublin, Ireland – August 3, 1907, Cornish, New Hampshire), was the Irish-born American sculptor of the Beaux-Arts generation who most embodied the ideals of the "American Renaissance". Adams had previously commissioned Saint-Gaudens to produce a memorial for his wife (who had committed suicide). The public reaction was disappointing to Adams. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adams_Memorial_(grave marker) Also related to Eliot's poem "Gerontion" are allusions to to Lancelot Andrewes: Wikipedia article about Lancelot Andrewes http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lancelot_Andrewes Lancelot Andrewes (1555 – 25 September 1626) was an English clergyman and scholar, who held high positions in the Church of England during the reigns of Queen Elizabeth I and King James I. During the latter's reign, Andrewes served successively as Bishop of Chichester, Ely and Winchester and oversaw the translation of the Authorized Version (or King James Version) of the Bible. Lancelot Andrewes: T.S. Eliot's Essay on Bishop Andrewes http://www.facebook.com/note.php?note_id=288693049002 Lancelot Andrewes Works, Sermons, Volume One SERMONS OF THE NATIVITY. PREACHED UPON CHRISTMAS-DAY, 1622. Preached before King James, at Whitehall, on Wednesday, the Twenty-fifth of December, A.D. MDCXXII. "Christ is no wild-cat." http://anglicanhistory.org/lact/andrewes/v1/sermon15.html Lancelot Andrewes Works, Sermons, Volume One SERMONS OF THE NATIVITY. PREACHED UPON CHRISTMAS-DAY, 1618. Preached before King James, at Whitehall, on Friday, the Twenty-fifth of December, A.D. MDCXVIII. "Signs are taken for wonders" http://anglicanhistory.org/lact/andrewes/v1/sermon12.html corrupted?