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Peter I can't speak for Carrol of course but in my view your  
interpretations are often skewed to fit your wishes rather than  
textual evidence.

Diana

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On Mar 5, 2010, at 6:37 AM, Peter Montgomery <[log in to unmask]>  
wrote:

> Now Carrol, I don't know what you think my purposes are that
> they should be ignored, so I find this kind of thing a bit beneath  
> you.
>
> CR presented the possibility of a kind of dramatic arc in the
> poem. His idea hasn't got much traction with most
> folks on the list, but I wanted to see if there could be a reading  
> of the
> poem that would justify that hypothesis. That is my purpose.
>
> The poem contains A LOT of Chritian elements and so they need to be  
> dealt
> with.
> Are we to pretend they aren't there?
>
> Your assumption that I have some nefarious agenda is just unjustified,
> but I can see that getting into any details of a Christian nature  
> might be
> looked on
> askance by some people. Such a prejudice is about the same as anti- 
> semetism,
> but with another religion.
>
> P.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Carrol Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2010 8:31 AM
> Subject: Re: 'Gerontion' -- the dramatic arc
>
>
>> Nancy, I suggest dividing posts into those which attempt to read the
>> poem (whether their readings are correct or incor) and those that are
>> chasing some other goal. Respond to the former, ignore the latter.  
>> Peter
>> is not interested in Gerontion but in using it for his own purposes;
>> skip his posts.
>>
>> Carrol
>>
>>> Nancy Gish wrote:
>>>
>>> First, he was not then an "ex-believer"; one might call him then a
>>> "pre-believer."  Second the attribution of Christianity to Eliot
>>> is--later--accurate but not in 1920, and it is not I who made it.
>>> Whatever is the point here?  The general Christian history and
>>> tradition of Europe and within the literature Eliot affirmed is both
>>> obvious and not at issue.
>>> Nancy
>