Do you think it courteous to thank Ken for being discourteous to me? I think that an odd idea of politeness. And this still does not address the whole issue of why it would take a specific instance in all of the Divine Comedy (Dante encounters persons throughout) to suggest to Eliot a common poetic technique.

These parallel monologues serve no purpose. Unless you answer a direct question about facts, it is not a discussion. Have you any evidence whatever--historic, linguistic, biographical, critical--to speculate that in a single epigraph Eliot found so common an idea and was apparently not aware of it before?

>>> Chokh Raj 02/03/10 11:07 AM >>>
Thanks, Ken. As for chronology, Eliot could always go back to the lines (in Dante) that might have inspired him in the first place and choose to make them into an epigraph subsequently.


--- On Wed, 2/3/10, Ken Armstrong wrote:

Nancy Gish wrote:
> Why do you ignore the fact that the word does not mean "persona" in Italian
CR says explicitly "*a person who could/would/might..." etc. Do you see it? "Persona" he uses in reference to Prufrock. Can we not say Prufrock is a persona? "One can visualize," not
"one can confirm that" is as legitimate a way of grasping (at) Eliot's poetry as any.

Ken A
> and that Eliot did not use that epigraph when he first wrote the poem? It was not, chronologically, a starting point: the poem was written with a different epigraph. So it is not clear what point you are making.
> Nancy
> >>> Chokh Raj 02/02/10 10:00 PM >>>
> Words that struck a chord in Eliot One can visualize Eliot reflect on Montefeltro's words and make them into a starting point for a confessional monologue of * (conversely) never return to the world* -- a persona that lives out this philosophy of indifference to "the world" not just in 'Prufrock' but in the rest of Eliot's poetry.
> CR
> --- On *Mon, 2/1/10, Chokh Raj /<MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "" claiming to be [log in to unmask]>/* wrote:
> Peter, going by Eliot's habits of mind (ref. Southam), the
> epigraph may have provided him with a clue, the
> all-important starting point, for conceiving this dramatic
> monologue as a disguised mode of confession [a la Montefeltro in
> Inferno] -- putting on the persona of a middle aged man. Apart
> from what "persona" denotes in the epigraph, it could
> easily suggest to Eliot the technique of "persona" as a masque
> for a character other than the poet himself.
> Thanks & regards,
> CR
> --- On *Mon, 2/1/10, Peter Montgomery /<MailScanner has detected a possible fraud attempt from "" claiming to be venture_v@TELUS...NET>/*
> wrote:
> Let us not over look Dante's use of the word PERSONA in
> Eliot's epigraph
> of the poem.
> P.