Well, if one wants to do it in bastardized French, and one wants to take advantage of the punning possibilities of the difference (différance?) between pointe and point, one could say: Pointe Pointe? Point! Jerry ________________________________ From: Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 8:52:39 AM Subject: Re: OT Massachusetts' Logic Yeah, I got that. So you could say it's "pointe no point" I guess. Diana ________________________________ Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2010 06:49:01 -0800 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: OT Massachusetts' Logic To: [log in to unmask] Diana, I know Grosse Pointe is used with such a connotation. As I said, I'm from that part of the world. The only point (pun intended) I was trying to make was an answer to Nancy's remark that the final "e" was "gratuitous." The final "e" is not an affectation. It is correct French. Jerry ________________________________ From: Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Fri, January 22, 2010 8:34:23 AM Subject: Re: OT Massachusetts' Logic Dear Jerry, Grosse Pointe is a synonym for upper-crusty elitism and wealth. Remember Jean Harris, who was so elite she forgot to defend herself in a murder trial? She lived in Grosse Pointe when she was married. Diana ________________________________ Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 20:57:12 -0800 From: [log in to unmask] Subject: Re: OT Massachusetts' Logic To: [log in to unmask] In re: "Grosse Pointe" I'm not sure the "e" is all that gratuitous, Nancy. As I'm sure you know, une pointe is a tongue of land entering into the water; point, on the other hand, is a simple emphatic negative. The Francophone heritage of the city on the narrows (le détroit -- my home town, as a matter of fact) explains why la grosse pointe is so named. Jerry Walsh ________________________________ From: Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]> To: [log in to unmask] Sent: Thu, January 21, 2010 8:22:25 PM Subject: Re: OT Massachusetts' Logic Dear Rick, I think we have to agree to disagree on the responsibilities and purposes of senators. I do think their job is to be New Mexico's representatives, not simply to represent New Mexico's interests. As for "elite," I'm from the Midwest, and it has its elite. Just how does Grosse Pointe (except for the gratuitous "e," like "ye olde") or wealthy suburbs of Chicago differ from Coastal Connecticut for elitism? I have no doubt the West does also. I find that phrase both untrue and unfair. And it's pretty hard to find any elite in Maine except summer people who come and buy land and go away in winter. And places like Baltimore or New Jersey are not exactly refuges for wealth and influence hidden among the poverty. I confess, as a resident of the East Coast, I find it--no doubt completely unintentionally--insulting. Cheers, Nancy >>> Richard Seddon 01/21/10 8:14 PM >>> Nancy The two federal Senators from New Mexico are New Mexico?s Senators not yours. They are suppose to represent New Mexico interests in the federal government. They are elected by the people of New Mexico not the people of Maine or Oregon. They may hold offices in the Senate that expand their responsibilities in a more Federal fashion but the primary reason they are there is as New Mexicans to do New Mexico?s business. They are responsible to us for their actions. And sorry to say, we New Mexicans are responsible for the two dolts that we have as Senators. In my email I specifically tried to exclude the non-elite coastal populations. The elitism of many of the urban coastal people in the US has been well documented. Recall the ?fly-over country? remarks during a previous administration. Rick Seddon Portales, NM ________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with Microsoft’s powerful SPAM protection. Sign up now. ________________________________ Your E-mail and More On-the-Go. Get Windows Live Hotmail Free. Sign up now.