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Rick wrote: R> Tom, please, what was the original footnote? That's a great question, but unfortunately I can't supply the answer. When I ordered the TSE 'Letters Vol 2' from Amazon.com in England, I also ordered "Notes" since I had never read it. The copy I got was the 1962 paperback edition. In my post I was trying to indicate that TSE wrote "Notes" in 1948, 14 years after he wrote the infamous line in 'After Strange Gods'. But I do not have the 1948 edition. If anyone has the 1948 edition, it would be great if they could post the footnote so we could see what the original footnote was. -- Tom -- > Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2010 06:15:16 -0500 > From: [log in to unmask] > Subject: Re: Eliot's poetry: the medium & the message > To: [log in to unmask] > > Tom, please, what was the original footnote? > > > Tom Colket wrote: > > Nancy wrote: > > N> It would be hard to imagine a more unjust world than > > N> the one Eliot idealizes in After Strange Gods, > > N> in the name of tradition. > > > > The List had a long discussion in 2009 on ASG, particularly on this passage: > > > > "You are hardly likely to develop tradition except where the bulk of the > > population is relatively so well off where it is that it has no > > incentive or pressure to move about. The population should be > > homogeneous; where two or more cultures exist in the same place they are > > likely either to be fiercely self-conscious or both to become > > adulterate. What is still more important is unity of religious > > background; and reasons of race and religion combine to make any large > > number of free-thinking Jews undesirable." (1934) > > > > I was recently reading Eliot's "Notes on the Definition of Culture" > > (1948). In the Preface to the paperback edition in 1962, he wrote: > > > > "These 'Notes' began to take shape towards the end of the Second World > > War. When it was suggested that they should be reprinted in 'paperback' > > form, I re-read them for the first time for some years, expecting that I > > should have to qualify some of the opinions expressed herein. I found to > > my surprise that I had nothing to retract, and nothing upon which I was > > disposed to enlarge. One footnote, on p. 70, I have re-written: it may > > still be that I have tried to say too much too briefly, and that the > > notion needs further elaboration." > > > > And what is that footnote on page 70, the one thing TSE decided needed > > further re-writing/clarification for the 1962 edition? It is this: > > > > Footnote on page 70: > > > > "It seems to me highly desirable that there should be close > > culture-contact between devout and practising Christians and devout and > > practising Jews. Much culture-contact in the past has been within those > > neutral zones of culture in which religion can he ignored, and between > > Jews and Gentiles both more or less emancipated from their religious > > traditions. The effect may have been to strengthen the illusion that > > there can be culture without religion. In this context I recommend to my > > readers two books by Professor Will Herberg published in New York: > > 'Judaism and Modern Man' (Farrar, Straus and Cudahy) and > > 'Protestant-Catholic-Jew' (Doubleday). " > > > > -- Tom -- _________________________________________________________________ Hotmail: Trusted email with powerful SPAM protection. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/196390707/direct/01/