----- Original Message -----
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2010 7:20
AM
Subject: Re: Eliot's poetry: the medium
& the message
Dear Peter:
It's so outré to talk about
consciousness. Neuroscience can't find it, philosophy can't describe it,
or psychology either.
David Chalmers calls finding
consciousness "the hard problem." "Impossible" is a more fitting
adjective.
Postmodern criticial theory deconstructs consciousness
as a function of language. I and You are discursive only, linguistic
implications.
Experiences occur, thoughts occur. That doesn't
mean anyone is having
them.
Diana
> RE: Aristotle
-- the old mantra was time = the measure of motion
> but it only makes
sense that he understood motion as
> change.
>
> The thing
is, it doesn't matter how good the measurement is,
> or how independent
of the observer it is, if some kind of
> result, however accurate or
misperceived, doesn't get through
> to some consciousness connected to
the measuring, then of
> what use or abuse is it?
>
>
Today, given current technology, it takes about a year to get to Mars.
>
Given a new Canadian invention which has a way of heating the
> rocket
plasma [layman's terms] to unheard of degrees, it will take only
> three
months.
>
> Where is consciousness in relation to the result, not
to mention the
> development of those technologies?
>
> "To
be conscious is not to be in time"
>
> Cheers,
>
Peter
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jonathan Crowther"
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> To: <[log in to unmask]>
> Sent:
Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:59 AM
> Subject: Re: Eliot's poetry: the
medium & the message
>
>
> > Peter
>
>
> > For Aristotle doesn't motion = change rather than only
mechanical
> > locomotion?
> >
> > I understand
that the quantum effects of measurement / observation work
>
with
> > a measuring device which is only conscious in the sense of
having been
> made
> > by a consciousness? So separate in one
sense (physically) but not in
> > another (causally): an unseen
eyebeam?
> >
> > Jonathan
> >
> >
-----Original Message-----
> > From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum.
[mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf
> > Of Peter
Montgomery
> > Sent: 06 January 2010 22:43
> > To:
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> > Subject: Re: Eliot's poetry: the medium &
the message
> >
> > I think Aristotle said time is the
measure of motion.
> > For me, time is the measure of change.
>
>
> > Does measurement exist separate from the consciousness that
does it?
> >
> > P.
> > ----- Original Message
-----
> > From: "Chokh Raj" <[log in to unmask]>
> >
To: <[log in to unmask]>
> > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010
7:07 AM
> > Subject: Re: Eliot's poetry: the medium & the
message
> >
> >
> > For
> >
> >
"only in time can the moment in the rose-garden,
> > The moment in
the arbour where the rain beat,
> > The moment in the draughty church
at smokefall
> > Be remembered; involved with past and
future.
> > Only through time time is conquered."
>
>
> > CR
> >
> >
> > --- On Sat,
1/2/10, Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
> >
>
>
> > > I for one never cease to enjoy Eliot's "world
>
> > of eye and ear",
> > > both for "what they half create,
/ And what
> > > perceive" --
> > > well pleased to
recognise in his "language of the
> > > sense",
> > >
the "anchor of my purest thoughts".
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