Dear Carrol,
 
In the general Postmodern trashing of Descartes, one of his positive achievements is overlooked:
 
Descartes provided an accurate description of non-existential space, the brute physicality of the universe that is independent of human beings. Heidegger provided the missing link, which is existential space, centered on human perception as "here" and "now."
 
Heidegger allows that brute physical space underlies and causes existential space. They are not opposed, but different.
 
Diana
 
> Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2010 10:22:29 -0600
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> Subject: Re: Eliot's poetry: the medium & the message
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> One of the worst intellectual vices of the 20th-c was the promiscuous
> transference of "scientific" notions to other fields. Measurement
> (though not the unit of mesurement) is of course utterly unrelated to
> the consciousness of the measurer. In quantum mechanics it is not the
> scientist who affects the results; its the equipment. The scientist has
> no effect on what he/she measurs or observes. What Einstein called
> "spooky action at a distance" is not in the least affected by the the
> human observer observing it. The equipment not the observer affects it.
>
> If you w ant to think about observer affecting the observed, the
> relevant field is not physics but social relations. For example, poll
> results can affect public opinion.
>
> And incidentally the "uncertainty" principle goes back to the
> philosophical thought of the first decade of the 20th century.
> Heisenberg merely provided a convenient metaphor for a tendency of
> thought already well-developed when he made his discovery in physics.
>
> Carrol


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