It's so outré to talk about consciousness. Neuroscience can't find it, philosophy can't describe it, or psychology either.
David Chalmers calls finding consciousness "the hard problem." "Impossible" is a more fitting adjective.
Postmodern criticial theory deconstructs consciousness as a function of language. I and You are discursive only, linguistic implications.
Experiences occur, thoughts occur. That doesn't mean anyone is having them.
> RE: Aristotle -- the old mantra was time = the measure of motion > but it only makes sense that he understood motion as > change. > > The thing is, it doesn't matter how good the measurement is, > or how independent of the observer it is, if some kind of > result, however accurate or misperceived, doesn't get through > to some consciousness connected to the measuring, then of > what use or abuse is it? > > Today, given current technology, it takes about a year to get to Mars. > Given a new Canadian invention which has a way of heating the > rocket plasma [layman's terms] to unheard of degrees, it will take only > three months. > > Where is consciousness in relation to the result, not to mention the > development of those technologies? > > "To be conscious is not to be in time" > > Cheers, > Peter > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jonathan Crowther" <[log in to unmask]> > To: <[log in to unmask]> > Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2010 5:59 AM > Subject: Re: Eliot's poetry: the medium & the message > > > > Peter > > > > For Aristotle doesn't motion = change rather than only mechanical > > locomotion? > > > > I understand that the quantum effects of measurement / observation work > with > > a measuring device which is only conscious in the sense of having been > made > > by a consciousness? So separate in one sense (physically) but not in > > another (causally): an unseen eyebeam? > > > > Jonathan > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: T. S. Eliot Discussion forum. [mailto:[log in to unmask]] On Behalf > > Of Peter Montgomery > > Sent: 06 January 2010 22:43 > > To: [log in to unmask] > > Subject: Re: Eliot's poetry: the medium & the message > > > > I think Aristotle said time is the measure of motion. > > For me, time is the measure of change. > > > > Does measurement exist separate from the consciousness that does it? > > > > P. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Chokh Raj" <[log in to unmask]> > > To: <[log in to unmask]> > > Sent: Sunday, January 03, 2010 7:07 AM > > Subject: Re: Eliot's poetry: the medium & the message > > > > > > For > > > > "only in time can the moment in the rose-garden, > > The moment in the arbour where the rain beat, > > The moment in the draughty church at smokefall > > Be remembered; involved with past and future. > > Only through time time is conquered." > > > > CR > > > > > > --- On Sat, 1/2/10, Chokh Raj <[log in to unmask]> wrote: > > > > > > > I for one never cease to enjoy Eliot's "world > > > of eye and ear", > > > both for "what they half create, / And what > > > perceive" -- > > > well pleased to recognise in his "language of the > > > sense", > > > the "anchor of my purest thoughts".
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