More on the subject of winter feeding of hummers, from Laura Erickson of
Cornell Lab.

Susan Eaton
Kirkwood, St. Louis CO., MO
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From: Laura Erickson <[log in to unmask]>
Date: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:05 PM
Subject: Re: Winter h'bird topic
To: Susan Eaton <[log in to unmask]>

You're welcome to add this to the discussion:

Lanny is absolutely correct that in only ONE case, of all the people feeding
hummingbirds all over the place, has this "hypothermia" been reported. The
problem has almost definitely been exaggerated, but I personally follow a
"better safe than sorry" method. Most of my hummingbird feeders do not have
perches anyway. When my late hummingbird appeared at my feeder, each night
the temperature dropped below freezing, so I was setting out fresh, warmer
sugar water each morning anyway.

With regard to protein--at the time my individual hummingbird was coming to
my northern MInnesota feeder (in late November and early December), I
consulted with a lot of experts trying to figure out the best thing to do,
and heard as many suggestions as people I consulted. As long as temperatures
were above 20 degrees or so, I could clearly observe the hummingbird feeding
on insects in the tips of my spruce tree and lilac bush branches. I grew
more concerned by Thanksgiving when the afternoon highs were only in the
teens and the bird was spending virtually all its non-perching time at my
feeder and I was having to change the feeders as they froze up every hour.
That's when I started offering one feeder (out of many) with ground up
mealworms. This was not a scientific experiment, and I have no way of
knowing whether that was a good thing to do in reality rather than in my
informed but just gut-feeling. The hummingbird did have many other feeders
to choose from, but she chose, most of the time, to feed at the feeder with
the mealworms. But again, this could have been extremely harmful if the
temperature wasn't so cold--this or Nektar Plus would spoil very quickly in
warmer temperatures, and mealworms in particular could harbor dangerous
bacteria in their gut that would multiply rapidly in warmer conditions.

Because Nektar Plus does spoil extremely quickly, it is normally only used
by rehabbers (I was a licensed rehabber, by the way) and must be changed
every few HOURS.

Northern Minnesota is colder in November and December than Cape Girardeau,
and most of the hummingbird people who advised me were pretty emphatic about
providing protein if we could figure out a way.

Lanny is again absolutely right about how early hummingbird start their day.
Mine made her first visits to my feeder each morning about a half hour
before sunrise, while it was still twilight.



On Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 2:32 PM, Susan Eaton <[log in to unmask]> wrote:

> Here's the rest of it.  Lanny runs the website
> Susan
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> From: Charlene and Jim Malone <[log in to unmask]>
> Date: Thu, Oct 8, 2009 at 12:18 PM
> Subject: Re: Winter h'bird topic
> To: [log in to unmask]
> With all due respect to Laura Erickson and Bob Fisher.......
> The following is a msg from Lanny Chambers (a certified hummingbird
> bander).
> I am posting for him because he is not signed up to post on Mobirds.
> IF anyone has an issue with Mr. Chambers' comments, please send them
> directly to his e-mail:    [log in to unmask]
> DO NOT send them to me, because they will get dumped immediately.
> Bob Fisher summarizes/quotes Ms. Erickson:
> 1. She knows of one case where a hummer keeled over after an early morning
> drink of very cold sugar water. Her hypothesis was that the bird suffered
> hypothermia from ingesting a large amount of cold liquid. Her
> recommendation:
> Take the perches off the feeder. That will insure that the bird keeps
> itself
> warm with the exercise of staying in flight while feeding. She also
> recommends putting out fresh, room temperature sugar water mixture at first
> light.
>  Lanny Chambers responds:
>> 1. The "perch hypothermia" theory has zero
>> evidence to support it. No bander,  researcher, or serious student of
>> hummingbirds believes it. Plenty of  hummers feed at snow-covered,
>> half-frozen feeders without incident.  One interesting hypothesis about
>> hummers hanging upside down or  falling off of feeders: inexperienced
>> immatures may drink more than  they realize, and weigh too much to fly
>> and/or shift their centers of  gravity enough to make them lose their
>> balance. But that, too, is  just a guess.
> BF summarizes/quotes LE:
> 2. She says late hummers need protein as well as carbs. There are
> apparently
> commercial mixtures for sale that include protein. "Nektar Plus" is one.
> She
> regards them as "ideal" but says they are very expensive and spoil quickly.
> She tells of having had a Rufous hummer visit her feeder in Minnesota one
> November.
> She put out six feeders and added ground meal worms to the mixture of one
> of
> them. During several freezing days when temps were below 20 degrees F, that
> hummer visited the one with the mealworms 90% of the time.
>  LC responds:
>> 2. When it's too cold for bugs to fly, hummers get all the
>> protein  they need from dormant insects, plus their eggs and larvae. They
>> are  adept at gleaning such tidbits from bark crevices and the undersides
>> of leaves, just like chickadees. Nektar Plus is NOT appropriate for  wild,
>> non-captive hummingbirds. The Rufous that recently  overwintered in Cape
>> Girardeau was provided only the standard sugar- water solution, warmed by
>> a light bulb as necessary to prevent freezing.
> BF summarizes/quotes LE:
> 3. Apparently USFWS used to issue special permits for folks to trap
> out-of-range hummers and move them to warmer climes. No more. Most of those
> birds died.
>  LC responds:
>> 3. This part is true. Like most other attempts to rescue
>> healthy hummingbirds, sending them to somewhere they don't belong is
>> usually a death sentence, even for the few that don't die enroute. Not
>> all animals are supposed to survive no-matter-what; it's called natural
>> selection, and messing with it is foolish. That said, western hummers
>> that winter in the Gulf states instead of Mexico are no longer
>> considered out of range, and some of them pass through Missouri to get
>> there.
> BF summarizes/quotes LE:
> 4. If you have a late hummer visiting your feeder, and it fails to show the
> next morning, it probably died during the night. If it shows in the a.m.
> and
> then disappears, it has probably moved on.
>  LC responds:
>> 4. This is too pessimistic. Some people don't realize how
>> early hummingbirds start their days. By the time it's light enough for
>> a human to avoid tripping over his own feet, a hummer may have finished
>> its breakfast and left. Notwithstanding the above, like other wild
>> creatures some hummingbirds die every day, and more during the stress
>> of migrations. Some no doubt do keel over at feeders, simply because
>> their number was up. It's a mistake to try to blame every birds' death
>> on humans.
> -----------------------------------------
> Charlene Malone responds to the above:
> With all due respect, not everything on the internets or written in books
> are factual. If I need to find out about any one bird in particular, I TRY
> as best as I can to go to websites hosted by the experts in those
> fields.
> If you want to learn about hummingbirds, lurking on Hum-net is a start.
> There one can find out the
> who's who in the hummingbird world. Nancy Newfield, Bob Sargent are
> prominent names... Lanny Chambers (Fenton, MO)is very knowledgeable with an
> excellent website. Bill Hilton, Jr. also has a good website with lots of
> info called Operation Rubythroat.
> PLEASE, this post is not meant to be malicious or down-putting just one to
> pass on information from the experts in this field.
> ALSO, I will not comment any further about these issues as I have spent too
> much
> time on this already. (I DO have more important things on my plate at this
> time).
> Again, responses can be sent to Mr. Chambers directly.
> Good birding,
> Charlene Malone
> St.Louis co.
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Laura Erickson
Science Editor
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
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Ithaca, NY 14850

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