More from Eliot's "Dante (1929)":

In my own experience of the appreciation of poetry I have always found that the less I knew about the poet and his work, before I began to read it, the better. A quotation, a critical remark, an enthusiastic essay, may well be the accident that sets one to reading a particular author; but an elaborate preparation of historical and biographical knowledge has always been to me a barrier. I am not defending poor scholarship; and I admit that such experience, solidified into a maxim, would be difficult to apply in the study of Latin and Greek. But with authors of one's own speech, and even with some of those of other modern languages, the procedure is possible. At least, it is better to be spurred to acquire scholarship because you enjoy the poetry, than to suppose that you enjoy the poetry because you have acquired the scholarship. I was passionately fond of certain French poetry long before I could have translated two verses of it correctly. With Dante the discrepancy between enjoyment and understanding was wider still.

   I do not counsel anyone to postpone the study of Italian grammar until he has read Dante, but certainly there is an immense amount of knowledge which, until one has read some of his poetry with intense pleasure - that is, with as keen pleasure as one is capable of getting from any poetry - is positively undesirable. In saying this I am avoiding two possible extremes of criticism. One might say that understanding of the scheme, the philosophy, the concealed meanings, of Dante's verse was _essential_ to appreciation; and on the other hand one might say that these things were quite irrelevant, that the poetry in his poems was one thing, which could be enjoyed by itself without studying a framework which has served the author in producing the poetry but could not serve the reader in enjoying it. The latter error is the more prevalent, and is probably the reason why many people's knowledge of the _Comedy_ is limited to the _Inferno_, or even to certain passages in it. The enjoyment of the _Divine Comedy_ is a continuous process. If you get nothing out of it at first, you probably never will; but if from your first deciphering of it there comes now and then some direct shock of poetic intensity, nothing but laziness can deaden the desire for fuller and fuller knowledge. 

    What is surprising about the poetry of Dante is that it is, in one sense, extremely easy to read. It is a test (a positive test, I do not assert that it is always valid negatively), that genuine poetry can communicate before it is understood. The impression can be verified on fuller knowledge; I have found with Dante and with several other poets in languages in which I was unskilled, that about such impressions there was nothing fanciful. They were not due, that is, to _misunderstanding_ the passage, or to reading into it something not there, or to accidental sentimental evocations out of my own past. The impression was new, and of, I believe, the objective "poetic emotion".


PART of the DANTE (1929) essay is on line. Follow these steps:

1) Go to:

2) Click on the first entry, which should have: "Selected Prose of TS Eliot" and has the phrase "limited preview" on the bottom of the entry.

3) In the field "Search in this book", type this: dante inferno appreciation of poetry

4) Click of the "Dante p205" reference to see PART of the essay.

-- Tom --

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 11:29:09 -0400
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From "Dante (1929)":


"It is a test (a positive test, I do not assert that it is always valid negatively) that genuine poetry can communicate before it is understood"


-- Tom --

Date: Thu, 22 Oct 2009 08:13:23 -0700
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If anyone comes up with an exact reference for this quotation, I would appreciate knowing it.  Diana's citation sounds suspiciously close to the words I had heard attributed to Eliot that brought me to consult this list in the first place.  When I asked about it, people agreed that the thought was not foreign to TSE, but that the formulation seemed apocryphal.  If there is something like it in one of the Dante essays, I would dearly desire to take a look at it.

Jerry Walsh, biblical lurker

From: Nancy Gish <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Thu, October 22, 2009 9:44:17 AM
Subject: Re: OT - Can anyone help find this TSE quote?

I am quite sure it is in one of the Dante essays, I think the first one.  I'm in my office, so I can't check, but I'm pretty certain.

>>> Diana Manister <[log in to unmask]> 10/22/2009 10:17 AM >>>
Eliot once commented, I believe in connection with The Waste Land, that a reader should be able to appreciate a poem before understanding its meaning. Does anyone know where he says that? My recollection is that he meant that the poem's sensuous qualities produce a certain range of feeling that are in accord with the signified meaning.
Many thanks!

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