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I would be happy to buy a hunting licrnse and state duck stamp if it would 
get me into waterfowl CAs to bird during non-hunting hours after October 
15th. If I'm going to be excluded because I don't hunt waterfowl, even at 
times and parts of the refuge where it would not interfere with hunting, I 
shall continue to feel like a second class citizen and will do something 
else with my money.

Bob Fisher
Independence, MO
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From: "Linda Williams" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Monday, August 17, 2009 11:35 PM
Subject: Re: Dorothy and Toto


>I think the point is that the money from CACHE and SPARKS is money that MDC 
>and DNR already had.  It's just able to be redirected to the specific 
>projects because of the contribution of data from ASM.  Licenses and duck 
>stamps would put additional monies into the respective systems.  Also, 
>numbers of duck stamps are not really used for enumeration of hunters since 
>many of them are purchased by collectors and everyone knows that. 
>Unfortunately, since hunting is a declining sport, duck stamp purchases 
>have declined about 30% since the 1970s.
>
> Can't speak for Doug, but I don't think he meant that only those who buy 
> duck stamps are supporting NWRs.  I think he meant that a whole lot more 
> additional money could go toward supporting habitat conservation by 
> purchasing them.  CACHE money is a drop in the bucket for NWRs and most of 
> the CACHE money won't be spent on NWRs, rather it will be used toward a 
> variety of projects managed by either state or federal agencies or 
> partnerships of varied entities.  ASM is a small non-profit as Jim stated 
> and we're not talking large amounts of money although I'm sure it is 
> helpful and well-appreciated.  Also, I don't think most NWRs are managed 
> specifically for hunting - all wildlife benefits.  You can't support one 
> type of species without considering the entire ecosystem and food chain.
>
> We are indeed very lucky in MO to have the MDC and to have it fairly 
> well-funded as well.  CACHE and SPARKS are a terrific way for birders to 
> support habitat conservation without having to contribute money directly. 
> The "step further" to me is to actually spend extra money by purchasing 
> duck stamps, licenses, etc.; to contribute to organizations that spend 
> wisely to make a difference; to physically help with local restoration or 
> habitat maintenance projects; and to make direct donations toward 
> conservation programs.  (And yes, I know not everyone can do all of those 
> things.)
>
> It's all good - let's get back to birding reports...
>
> Linda Williams
> Liberty, Clay County, MO
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>
> ---- June <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
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> Doug,
>
> CACHE is not a step behind Duck Stamps.  If anything it is the "step
> further" because it gives support to public land management
> strategies that are broader than promotion of game bird hunting.
> Total purchases of Duck Stamps provide statistics easily used to
> indicate support of citizens for hunting interests.  CACHE use
> identifies the growing number of citizens who, for the most part are
> not anti-hunting, and appreciate the contribution to bird habitat
> made by hunting interests, but who also recognize the need for
> management that goes a step further and manages for all birds, not
> exclusively for game birds.  CACHE use identifies a growing number of
> folks whose specific right to access  public lands for observation of
> birds  is equal to the rights of hunters, but whose rights are not
> always recognized by local management.
>
> I take issue with your implication that only those who buy duck
> stamps are "assuring these treasures will be here for future
> generations."  There are many ways to help make that guarantee, and
> you don't corner the market,  IMHO.
>
> June Newman
> Carrollton, MO
>
>
> On Aug 17, 2009, at 5:20 PM, Doug Willis wrote:
> Mobirders:
> Yes, we are VERY lucky to have the Missouri Department of
> Conservation public lands and programs. CACHE is fine, but why not
> take it a step further and buy a hunting/fishing license and truly
> support MDC?! Also, documenting the hypothetical bird in question for
> the Missouri Bird Records Committee would add to the ornithological
> record in an even more substantial way. Want to support Big Muddy
> NWR, Mingo NWR, Squaw Creek NWR and Swan Lake NWR? Buy a duck stamp
> and join the rest of us in assuring these treasures will be here for
> future generations.
> Respectfully,
> Doug Willis
> Liberty, MO
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