All the pictures in this series are of a Western Kingbird.  Is this the 'mystery kingbird' from last Thursday??

Chris Hobbs
Shawnee, KS
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From: "Christine Kline, Secretary" <[log in to unmask]>

Date: Monday, July 27, 2009 9:04 am

Subject: Re: Kingbird sp. at Raymore:  Notes and more pics

> http://www.jasongharrison.com/CKbirdid2.htm
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> More pictures from Saturday morning.
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> Christine Kline
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> Pleasant Hill, MO ~ Cass County
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> Subject: Kingbird sp. at Raymore: Notes and more pics
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> Using my pictures as well as what I saw through 16x50 binoculars
> and my
> spotting scope:
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> Chin, throat and whiskers seem light gray or almost white in certain
> lighting.but pictures show grayish
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> White stripe on the chin (that continues to below the eye)
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> Breast is dark gray
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> Belly is bright yellow
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> Under tail Coverts are (?) Not sure what this refers to.
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> Outer tail feathers are dark brown with no appearance of white
> (perched or
> in flight)
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> Tail is dark brown and notched
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> Primaries are Dark Brown and are shorter than the tail
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> Secondary feathers are rounded, dark brown with white edges
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> Rump is dark brown
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> Back is Olive Green
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> Nape is dark gray
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> Eye line (?) or Eye stripe (?) is dark gray
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> White stripe below the eye (that continues around the chin)
> (Someone called
> this a white maylar?)
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> Head and crown are dark gray
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> I have seen a Western Kingbird.  I remember the Western Kingbird
> being more
> white chested with a lower and lighter yellow belly.  The Western
> Kingbirdalso had a gray back while this species has a distinct
> coloring of olive
> green on its back.  In reviewing both Peterson and Sibley guides
> to Eastern
> Birds, I will admit that they confuse me a bit since they don't
> match up on
> everything.  The Western Kingbird is supposed to have a pale gray
> head nad
> breast with a white throat and black tail.  None of these features
> fit the
> bird I have photographed or seen.
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> This species does have a "darker head and chest with whitish chin
> and throat
> and olive gray back".  It also has a "brown tail".  I cannot say
> for sure
> that the edges of his tail have light gray edges except to say
> that one of
> the pictures with the tail flared does show that the edges are
> lighter than
> the rest of the tail.  The habitat of the Cassins is "open
> country" but goes
> on about Eucalyptus and Juniper trees.
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> The Tropical Kingbird is supposed to have a larger bill that is
> longer.Since I don't have a Western Kingbird next to it to compare
> it to, I won't
> make a judgment call.  When I saw the bird up close and personal,
> the bill
> did seem to be longer and heavier (or thicker).  The Peterson's
> also states
> that the Tropical Kingbird has a bright yellow belly and chest.  I
> DID see a
> bird that had the bright yellow coming up into the chest area but
> the one I
> was able to get photographs of, does not.  The habitat of the Tropical
> Kingbird fits better with "open groves and open areas with
> scattered trees
> and short cut grass".
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> Finally, what confused me most about Peterson's and Sibley's is
> that they
> are not matching in regards to the tail.  Peterson's shows a
> straight tail
> while Sibley's and whatbird.com show a notched tail.  All but one
> of my
> pictures clearly show a notched tail. 
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> So, in closing, I felt I had a Cassins Kingbird on Friday until I
> saw a bird
> with an all yellow breast and belly on Saturday morning which
> would say this
> could be a Tropical Kingbird.  Additionally, we did play a
> Tropical Kingbird
> call and got a "call back".  HOWEVER, I am still torn between the
> two -
> Cassin's or Tropical.
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> Two people have replied that they believe it to be a Cassin's
> while one
> person thought it was an immature Tropical.  Then I received a
> couple of
> emails that it was a Western Kingbird.  I love the challenge.  It
> makes me a
> better birder, yes?
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> Does anyone know if Mark Robbins was able to record the call?  I
> would be
> happy to meet anyone out there this evening or tomorrow to show
> you what I'm
> seeing.  My mobile number is below.  I also have more pictures as
> well as
> better ones of the tail.  I am going to see if Jason would be
> willing to add
> them to the link he graciously helped me with on Friday night.
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> Christine Kline
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> Pleasant Hill, MO ~ Cass County
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