Of course one has no way of knowing if anything that Mr. Waggstaffe put in
his characters'
mouths was actually Waggy's own opinion. I'm sure he was much more clever
than what's
his name, Alfred Hitchcocke, the movie infarctor, who stuck himself in a
corner or some such
in everyone of his movies. If Waggy did such, I'll bet it would have been
one of the minor
clowns or Lear's foul fool. Disguise is everthing.

It is a false assertion to say that Shakespeare did not give his own opinion
in his work.


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Carrol Cox" <[log in to unmask]>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 6:17 AM
Subject: Re: Shakespeare's characters,was T.S. Eliot : "The critics" versus
"the critics"

> > Nancy Gish wrote:
> >
> > Shakespeare does not appear or speak anything in his plays.  Nor does
> > he give any sense of identifying with what they all say--which is all
> > manner of views.
> >
> > For a counter to this, read Emilia's speech to Desdemona in which she
> > begins, "But I do think it is their husband's fault/ If wives do
> > fall."
> >
> > To quote a Shakespeare character as the statement of Shakespeare is to
> > misread drama, which is not the lyric voice--quite apart from the fact
> > that this passage is meant to be crudely offensive.
> Lear is trickier even than most Shakespearean plays == As flies to
> wanton boys / Are we to the gods / They kill us for their sport."
> (Quoted from memory).
> And of course even Shakespeare'as non-dramatic poetry gives us no real
> information whatever of his opinions on the world and 'society.' If i
> had to pick any one element of Shakespeare's career as casting light on
> his relationship to the world it would be a negative fact: he never,
> unlike his contemporary Ben Jonson, made any effort to arrange for the
> publication of his plays. He seemes, in other words, really not to give
> a damn whether 'future' ages read him or not. I won't defend that -- I
> would cite it as evidence against anyone citing Shakepspeare to prove
> any point.
> Carrol