But 'Wieners' aren't jam doughnuts also - it's the duality of meaning that causes the serious ambiguity I think,  along with the use of 'ein' before 'Berliner'. 
Conversely, it's same as  if one asks in Frankfurt for a Frankfurter:you're not very likely to get a hot dog but a bemused native pointing at themselves. [reminds me of schoolmate on an exchange visit to Germany asking at a sausage stall for a 'heisses Hund'.........
Gunnar,please advise if you can !

On Wed, Jan 21, 2009 at 6:13 AM, robert meyer <[log in to unmask]> wrote:
OK, now what is the German word for "Viennese" (meaning a person or thing from Vienna)?
Robert Meyer
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It has to be said that, in my experience, the assumptions  I've read on this List about the proper meaning of a 'Berliner' are completely spurious.
Kennedy without doubt proclaimed, much to the bemusement of the natives 'I am a jam doughnut'. Any casual glance around one of Berlin's many bakery shops will reveal neat little piles of Berliners lovingly assembled for sale to said natives.